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Re: Edge Computing at Chick-fil-A

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Post by dbrueck »

stochastic_monk wrote: post #390
dbrueck wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so in order for a person to be open-minded, they have to not only honestly consider other ideas and perspectives (which is what being open-minded actually means) they also have to agree with your perspective? A person's open-mindedness is independent of whether or not somebody else agrees with them. Otherwise, by definition nobody - including you - is open-minded, since there are people that disagree with you.…

It's the fact that they are unable to honestly consider it because of their dogma rather than the fact that they don't agree.

I'm fascinated by your stance - genuinely fascinated, I'm not trolling you, I'm serious.

So to recap, the CEO of Chick-fil-a is part of a group of people ("they") who are actually unable - as in, incapable - of honestly considering certain viewpoints? How did you reach this conclusion, and how did you come to be so certain that this CEO is in that group?

Is your understanding that he gave no serious thought to his opinion (i.e. it was just imposed on him), or that he thought about it lightly but lacks critical thinking skills, or something else?

Is there any possibility that he simply has a different opinion than you, and that's all there is to it? Like, he educated himself like you did, thought about it like you did, etc. but just reached a different conclusion than you? Or is the only explanation that he is flawed/limited in some way?

Apologies in advance if anything I've said comes across as demeaning, I'm genuinely trying to understand. Thanks!

Re: Edge Computing at Chick-fil-A

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Post by stochastic_monk »

dbrueck wrote: post #391
stochastic_monk wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the fact that they are unable to honestly consider it because of their dogma rather than the fact that they don't agree.

I'm fascinated by your stance - genuinely fascinated, I'm not trolling you, I'm serious. So to recap, the CEO of Chick-fil-a is part of a group of people ("they") who are actually unable - as in, incapable - of honestly considering certain viewpoints? How did you reach this conclusion, and how did you come to be so certain that this CEO is in that group? Is your understanding that he gave no serious thought to his op…

I was raised in a cult. I know what it’s like to be incapable of considering others’ views because of dogma because of my experience.

I am assuming that his Christian perspective is similar to the one I had. My experiences with Christians since have reinforced this expectation.

Does that help?

Re: Edge Computing at Chick-fil-A

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Post by bfuller »

max_im wrote: post #85

I work in midtown NYC near a Chick-fil-a location. Used to be a line down the block, went with a friend yesterday thinking we caught the line at a short time but turns out they were using smiley employees with ipads coordinating orders and that they were serving arguably more people than before. Very impressed with how seamlessly they've integrated tech in their brick and mortars in contrast with the countless "cashl…

I live near the busiest chic fil a in the country. If they didn't have the iPads it would be impossible to serve all the people.

Re: Edge Computing at Chick-fil-A

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Post by stochastic_monk »

zakm wrote: post #377
stochastic_monk wrote: post #348

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Because he claims that homosexual relationships do not deserve the same state recognition as heterosexual relationships.

>My belief is so self-evident that anyone who comes into contact with it must agree with it, therefore if someone doesn't agree with me it must be because they haven't come into contact with it, and the idea is everywhere so therefore if they haven't come into contact with it they must not be open-minded!

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17835300

Re: Edge Computing at Chick-fil-A

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Post by loco5niner »

dang wrote: post #387
loco5niner wrote: post #374

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I've always found CFA employees to be kind, courteous, and respectful.

You've repeated this often enough in the thread that it's actually a kind of trolling. Please don't do that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Ah, good to know, thanks for the heads up.

Re: Edge Computing at Chick-fil-A

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Post by benburleson »

oh_sigh wrote: post #266
benburleson wrote: post #118

This was posted in a devops-related slack not too long ago and caused quite a stir over CFA's lack of, uh, diversity. I know it's technically off-topic and frowned upon here, but I believe the fact that they make their beliefs such a big part of the company that it deserves to be pointed out.

In what manner is CFA non-diverse? Are you talking racially or belief wise? If it's the latter, would you class the big tech companies as equally non-diverse, since Christians are frequently treated with derision there?

To put it nicely, CFA is extremely unfriendly to the LGBTQ community.

Re: Edge Computing at Chick-fil-A

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Post by loco5niner »

ForrestN wrote: post #386
loco5niner wrote: post #369

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Hey Brian, did you write the article? ;-) I've enjoyed reading (all) your comments here. Just wanted to chime in and say I have a great appreciation for what CFA does and have had great experiences with the app and in general the entire ordering process at CFA. I've been, in fact, quite impressed. Nice to read about the stuff in the background that helps make that happen. Doesn't hurt that every employee I've interac…

Why pretend to be making a disinterested comment about how "kind and courteous" employees are (which is totally irrelevant) when you're actually motivated by sympathy to the company on the basis of their regressive, hate-fueled ideology? This kind of manipulation doesn't speak well of your fellow extremists.

I'd heard a few years ago about a random company called Chic-fil-a and that their founders were Christians and one of them said some things defending marriage that stirred up controversy. Then promptly forgot about them.

Then a couple years ago, one showed up near my work, and I heard they had good chicken. The first thing I noticed about CFA was how their employees acted. I was impressed! Then, I downloaded and installed the app and had a fantastic experience. I was impressed! And their food is great!

Certainly, I agree with the ideology of their founders. However, that is independent of the fact that that I've been impressed! When I go to CFA, I wonder HOW they get me through the line so fast. I appreciate how they've trained their employees in good-old-fashioned southern hospitality. As far as I've seen, at this location, they hire friendly people who care about taking care of the customer.

So, back on topic... how DO they get me through the line so fast?

Re: Edge Computing at Chick-fil-A

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Post by dbrueck »

stochastic_monk wrote: post #392
dbrueck wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fascinated by your stance - genuinely fascinated, I'm not trolling you, I'm serious. So to recap, the CEO of Chick-fil-a is part of a group of people ("they") who are actually unable - as in, incapable - of honestly considering certain viewpoints? How did you reach this conclusion, and how did you come to be so certain that this CEO is in that group? Is your understanding that he gave no serious thought to his op…

I was raised in a cult. I know what it’s like to be incapable of considering others’ views because of dogma because of my experience. I am assuming that his Christian perspective is similar to the one I had. My experiences with Christians since have reinforced this expectation. Does that help?

Ok, I appreciate your willingness to share.

FWIW it's virtually impossible to determine the open-mindedness of someone from afar, and to make assumptions about their ability to even consider other ideas seems like a way to insulate oneself from difficult ideas - by declaring that someone is incapable of an honest evaluation of your perspective, it prevents your perspective from being scrutinized (which, ironically, could lead to being close-minded if you're not careful).

A parting thought: most people (a) can be reasoned with if not attacked - you can find common ground and have a good discussion with nearly anybody (b) on every "interesting" social/political issue there are intelligent and thoughtful and just really great people with nuanced and reasonable perspectives all across the spectrum - the extremist nutjobs on the fringes are wildly outnumbered by pretty normal people

So as a random dude on the internet, just a friendly warning that if the above strikes you as untrue (e.g. if you believe large chunks of people are intolerant or incapable of being reasoned with, or if you see a difficult social issue as pretty much black and white and can't understand why so many people don't get it), then there's a good chance that you've been duped and have been sucked into a form of modern tribalism.

Have a great day!

Re: Edge Computing at Chick-fil-A

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Post by weberc2 »

caconym_ wrote: post #384
weberc2 wrote: post #378

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> I think you missed the point of mine. I may have. It sounded like you were highlighting the paradox itself, while I was intending to highlight the way the paradox lends itself to abuse. Perhaps ironically, your comments about Damore and the memo are exemplary--the memo contains zero offensive generalizations; it's been picked over and no one has produced an 'offensive generalization'--only phrases that allegedly co…

> I may have. It sounded like you were highlighting the paradox itself, while I was intending to highlight the way the paradox lends itself to abuse. My intent was to illustrate that not all intolerances are only relative degrees of the same thing (as claimed in the popular 'conservative' talking point); some are categorically distinct, and in a web of interconnected intolerances the two types that I identified inter…

> My intent was to illustrate that not all intolerances are only relative degrees of the same thing

Ah, I see. I agree, though I wasn't espousing the "popular conservative talking point" (which I've never actually heard before), so I'm not quite sure why the conversation took that particular turn.

> Have you read this

I have, but I don't really want to dissect that here and now.

> If you want to project politics onto me

I don't want to, and I don't think I did. :) Sincere apologies if I offended.

Re: Edge Computing at Chick-fil-A

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Post by flamtap »

always_good wrote: post #333
donkeyd wrote: post #332

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Slightly off-topic, but what's the reason that Americans all tend to line-up at the drive thru? I was in LA, there was a huge line at the drive thru, so we parked, went inside and got our orders really quickly.

The comfort of still being in your own space. For example, listening to your own music, no excursion for your kids to belabor, precisely don't have to park and get out.

Yeah, I think I would rather wait 10 minutes in my car than 5 minutes in line. I'm sure other people may feel differently. And something about the drive-thru still "feels" faster, even if it's not. I think it's just the idea that you get to pull out and be on your way after you've gotten your food.
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