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MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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> For example, the thermal conductivity of a high-grade thermal paste is 8.5 W/mK, and the heat conductivity of copper is 385 W/mK, or for aluminum 205 W/mK. You can see that the thermal compound is actually a poor heat conductor and that is exactly the reason why you only need a very thin layer of paste to fill the micro imperfections between the IHS and heatsink. This has always been my rule of thumb whether it's m…

For what it's worth, Arctic Silver recommend not to use your finger, on account of dead skin cells and grease. Page 4, http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appmeth/int/vl/intel_app_met...

Right, hence the vinyl gloves. It also protects my skin from any harmful chemicals or minerals that may be in the paste.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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This may have changed, but for years the apple warranty was "as long as you don't damage anything, you're allowed to open it". I did some research and at least the manual for my machine still states this, but mine is also from 2012

I took a 2011 model in since I just needed a replacement battery due to bulging. The Apple employee was flabbergasted that I had removed the screws and bottom plate saying I had voided the warranty... on a severely out of warranty device. He was insistent that any device that had screws in it would have the warranty voided if those screws were removed and the device opened, even after showing him the manual which ins…

They're getting a bit sloppy with the people they hire recently it seems. I had someone from AppleCare basically tell me I had 90 days after a repair to find an issue with it (violating Australian Consumer Law, which gives you 2 years) - mortified staff in-store gave me my refund though.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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“Creative” workloads require sustained CPU tho’ and that’s who Apple claims this is for

Which "creative" workloads? Video, 3D, and photography mostly require sustained GPU. For audio, it's more the CPU.

Video encoding and photography processing mostly use CPU.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Dave Lee's youtube video is a withering takedown, presented dispassionately. His argument is such a slam dunk that the article concludes with stunned disbelief, speculating that maybe there's "something wrong with the MacBook Pro with Core i9 chip that Lee received". Yes there's something wrong with it, that was the exact point of his video. Do people really think he just got a lemon?

> Dave Lee's youtube video is a withering takedown, presented dispassionately.

You've said this in two threads that I've read and I truly do not know what you mean by it. Is it a bad thing that Dave doesn't scream at his viewers when making a video? Or do you mean something else entirely?

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Have you taken the Surface Book 2 for a spin? Pricey, but gives the MBP a good run for its money, and does a couple tricks the MBP cannot, such as having an excellent touch/pen surface for a screen. Real ports, including SD card. The outstanding downside is, of course, the abominable Windows 10.

How often do you rely on the touch screen? I know it seems like a naive question, but I have an older surface pro and I rarely used the touch screen. The machine itself was bulkier than an iPad or Nexus9, so I tended to use those instead for tooling around and mindless consumption. The surface pro was pretty much useless for actual work unless I had a second monitor, actual keyboard, and trackpad. I do native Windows…

I use the touch screen all the time. They made it very easy to do one important thing, they let you take a screenshot by pressing the pen eraser twice, and immediately begin annotating it by drawing right on top of it. For doing things like UI prototypes this is a huge booster. Someone sends me a test build or concept, and I can leap right into graphical annotation. Why waste time typing when unambiguous visual communication is this easy.

As a pen input device it's at least as good as my Intuos2 which it replaced, plus you get to draw right on the screen. (I don't like the side button though, it requires too much force to press.)

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Yessir. A flavor of Linux but Linux nonetheless.

A flavour of UNIX. BSD (and OS X) evolved mostly separately from GNU or Linux, with some limited cross-over. Even basic CLI tools have subtle differences. The only Linus Torvalds code in a Mac would be git.

Sorry. you're right my bad. I was thinking Unix but kept typing Linux for some reason.

A more accurate statement is that it's a true posix compliant Unix based system down to the metal.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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But the price for this machine is crazy, and it doesn't support a use case where you actually use the i9 cpu for long periods of time... Why do you need it then? To open the browser a few milliseconds faster? It's not a professional machine if it's throttling heavily under load so you can't use its resources....it boggles my mind that it's even allowed to sell something like this. It's like selling a supercar which c…

Not disagreeing with you, but as it happens the Bugatti Veyron can't do the full top speed for very long (Michelin won't guarantee the tires to run above 250 mph for more than 15 minutes.).

It will run out of gas way before then.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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The i9 CPU is a K part, therefore, I would think one could conceivably undervolt/underclock in order to change the thermals on the machine to their liking. Is there such a tool for Mac OS X?

You can actually undervolt and underclock any Intel CPU, Unlocked ones are just unlocked in the "up" direction.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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I like how you note the customer needs have no role in the Apple design process.

The fact that Apple is the most successful company in the world seems to suggest that their method of thrilling the customer by subverting and surpassing their expectations beats building what the customer says they want. In the case of laptops, it turns out that lightness and battery life -- portability -- is what people actually want, otherwise they'd just use desktops.

> otherwise they'd just use desktops

That's not an option for many. If you use a desktop machine in your office, you can't ever work from home, and you can't carry your machine into meetings to demo something.

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I have a Dell XPS 15 (2017) and the thermals are really bad. I saw constant throttling in my kernel logs and the laptop sometimes slowed to a crawl when compiling, running a ton of docker containers, using Light Table or even just having a ton of browser tabs open. I finally ditched it a few weeks ago, finally replacing it with a Ryzen 7 desktop. I'll admit my XPS 15 was a factory refurbished model, so maybe I just g…

Thermal on my i7 xps13 is abysmal. Never again.

Thermals on my early 2018 9370 i7 are perfect and I haven't really seen any throttling even doing video rendering unless I'm sitting in my apartment while its 85F+ (Seattle still doesn't know what AC is) and it's on my lap.

The fans do spin up and they're audible, but not louder than my Thinkpad or any of the Macbook Pro's we have at work. It is dead silent unless I'm actually doing intensive work.

It seems people have a lot of issues with older models though, so YMMV.

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