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Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by QasimK »

eric-hu wrote: post #134
manigandham wrote: post #111

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You wouldn't notice if it was 5lbs either, the human body is much more capable than that unless we're talking about small children. People routinely carry much bigger and heavier things. Perhaps if it was still a netbook/macbook air product then it would make sense, but we also have iphones and ipads now which actually seem to be getting bigger so there's no reason why the most mobile powerful computing device must b…

I own a 2012 MacBook pro 15' and work gave me a 2016. The difference is about 1.5 pounds, going from 5.6 pounds to 4 pounds. The difference is big enough that I've slowly started using my work laptop for most of my personal needs too, even though I initially wanted to keep my work laptop clean of unnecessary personal data.

Are you sure it’s not also because the 2016 laptop is more performant?

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Post by majewsky »

dredmorbius wrote: post #313
papaf wrote: post #279

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I switched from Windows to Linux on my work Dell and battery life is the same. I go to standby on lid closed and shutdown at the end of the day. Bootup to login takes 20 seconds so I don't bother with hibernate.

The issue for me is that hibernate saves user state (desktop, apps, edit state), reboot doesn't. I expect a desktop session to live months. IOW: Your solution may not suite all.

To add another bullet to the reasons for reboot listed in the siblings, I prefer to poweroff in the evening because my disk is encrypted and I don't want the key lingering around in RAM when I don't need it. /me puts on more tinfoil

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Post by tushartyagi »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #272
stefanfisk wrote: post #214

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this is what's keeping me from switching. every time I try spending a day on Windows I remember just how much macOS "just works", even if it has warts all over the place.

See, I've always used both and I just don't understand this whole "I have to spend a day on Windows making X work". I haven't experienced this in at least a decade. Windows 10 "just works" with every device and software I've thrown at it.

Not to counter your point, but I had that new remarkably stupid ":( Oops something went wrong" error popping up the morning I had to give a presentation. I have Windows 10 Home and it forced the updates, failed after an hour, and fucked up the boot partition, removing grub. So just before the presentation, I had to setup grub again and boot into Linux because windows was still stuck with updates. Thankfully my slides were on google drive.

On my office laptop though, Win 10 Pro has been pretty stable.

To get back to the main point, I usually have to spend a day with both Windows and Linux to install everything right from VLC to compilers. IMO setting up needs to be done on every machine, independently of the OS.

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Post by AsyncAwait »

VexorLoophole wrote: post #372
strls wrote: post #290

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Windows is truly a pain like never before. Going Linux can be very easy these days, depending what you do on the machine.

Working with Unix-Servers every day i still would struggle with a Linux Machine. Tried it in the past and getting things to work wasn't a problem at all. But 1) i have to admit that i like all this full aluminum fuckery (shame on me) 2) MacOS is for me more "batteries included" then any Unix-Flavor. Yes there a often alternatives on Linux, still i really like to get my shit done quick and easy with tools like preview…

The XPS line has a similar build than the MBP.

In regards to tools, you can usually find a distro that is "batteries included", try KDE as your DE - There's great tools like Okular, Dolphin... Insomnia is a pretty looking Paw alternative etc, however I think the advantage with Linux is that you can often build it how you want, without the junk that is there and you don't even know what it does, but it consumes CPU cycles. Moreover, with distros like Arch Linux, you get practically all the available tools, always up to date, never have to reinstall, updates take a minute as opposed to half an hour and you can mange everything, (not just brew packages), with an awesome package manager.

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Post by JdeBP »

dTal wrote: post #379
pritambaral wrote: post #359

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> Hopefully Systemd won’t mount your firmware on a rw partition and brick the laptop in an unfortunate update? That's the hardware's fault.

Mounting a seldom-modified and highly sensitive and critical filesystem r/w by default , when the existence of buggy implementations is known, is a deeply irresponsible decision. Blaming the rest of the world for the fallout from their crappy design decisions is a pattern of behaviour among some systemd developers. Fortunately you don't have to use systemd. I'm happily running Void Linux.

On the subject of what is known:

It displays some ignorance of this subject to blame it on systemd, when Matthew Garrett told people that it was really his fault.

* https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/693494314941288448

The people who relate the tale as if it were a systemd thing or something that the systemd people did are ill-informed. It was entirely a kernel thing. This was even stated outright at the time by the creator of that particular kernel mechanism.

To learn the real story, go and read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11152880 where Matthew Garrett xyrself can be found participating in the discussion.

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Post by keymone »

blhack wrote: post #189

I wish apple would just make a line of laptops aimed at professionals. They could give us back a real keyboard, give us back USB ports, give us back swappable batteries, and give us back SD card readers (although this could be microsd at this point). They could even call it "macbook professional" or something like that. /s There is just absolutely no reason for these changes. The lack of USB ports on this laptop is s…

> give us back USB ports, give us back swappable batteries, and give us back SD card readers

also dvd, ethernet, hdmi, vga and floppy, yeah.

sorry, i want neither of these in my laptop. i want it to be lightweight, small, solid and durable body without moving parts or too many holes.

what you want is achievable with dock station.

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Post by admg »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #377
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #357

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And why do you think that a lot of people who are painfully aware of all the issues you mention still refuse to use Linux on a laptop while happily using it on servers? There is a riduculous repetitiveness about this debate. For me and many others, Linux on a laptop has always been unstable, insecure, hot and noisy. Many specific issues can be fixed if you put in the effort, but on almost every dist-upgrade something…

> For me and many others, Linux on a laptop has always been unstable, insecure, hot and noisy. I've successfully converted many people with similar claims over to Linux and here's what I've found; most of them were trying Linux on a subpar, non-standard laptop, (Like an old MacBook or a slow Celeron), to lower their investment if they don't like it, which is fine, but then comparing the experience to their high end M…

I'd agree with that, I run stock ubuntu on a thinkpad t460p. I have only one issue which is that display scaling is not fractional, its in set values which doesn't play well with resolutions above 1080p. Thats a gnome issue though and doesn't stop the screen working perfectly when the resolution is set to 1080p instead of 2550x1440 or whatever it is.

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Post by isostatic »

keymone wrote: post #387
isostatic wrote: post #374

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What bugs? I haven't had a hardware problem in linux since 2005. I do have a problem reading visio files though. I have a solution, I tell them to f-off and send me a pdf if they want my views.

> haven't had a hardware problem in linux since 2005 have you heard of GUI?

I've run xubuntu on this thinkpad since 2010, currently 16.04.

I've just rdesktopped into a windows machine to run a cisco ASA tool. Just had to reboot it.

YMMV of course, and the plural of annecdote isn't data, but I find it hard to raise bugs when they don't affect me.

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Post by badpun »

manigandham wrote: post #370
eric-hu wrote: post #134

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I own a 2012 MacBook pro 15' and work gave me a 2016. The difference is about 1.5 pounds, going from 5.6 pounds to 4 pounds. The difference is big enough that I've slowly started using my work laptop for most of my personal needs too, even though I initially wanted to keep my work laptop clean of unnecessary personal data.

You drop more weight just going to the bathroom in the morning. I find it extremely hard to believe that a few pounds makes a difference to any physically capable adult.

It does. If the laptop is light enough, you can handle it (grab it, put it back on the table etc.) comfortably with one hand even while laying away from it etc. It becomes almost as comfortable to quickly grab as a tablet or a phone.

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Post by JamesMcMinn »

tracer4201 wrote: post #342

I honestly don't understand all these quality sacrifices just to make things thinner. It makes the product actually feel somewhat cheap and brittle. The same thing confuses me with smartphones. Everyone keeps making these bacteria and finger print magnets thinner... the minute you drop it, it's shattered or unuseable... and so then you're buying a case to protect it from scratches and shatter... so what's the point o…

Samsung's Galaxy S range of phones have been getting slightly thicker every generation since the S6. The S6 was 6.8mm thick, the S9 is 8.5mm, with small but progressive increases along the way.

The S9 still feels like it could break easy due to the all glass finish, but I think that has much more to do with avoiding plastic whilst still enabling wireless charging.

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