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Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by gorhill »

drdaeman wrote: post #279
Crespyl wrote: post #237

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It is a little fiddly to set up at first, certainly. There are a few tools to make it easier though: if you're dealing with a site that uses a lot of semi-random subdomains (like googlevideo or cloudflare), it's possible to just whitelist the whole domain and get all the subdomains automatically (and then block individual subdomains if you want). It might be defeating the purpose, but you can also change the "scope"…

> sync my black/whitelists through Firefox Sync It's technically possible, although UX is terrible. Go to uMatrix settings, make sure to "enable cloud storage" option is set in the "settings" tab, then manually upload and download rules in the "my rules" tab. No automatic sync (won't be implemented[1]) and, no merges at the moment (button's broken[2]). [1] https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix/issues/467 [2] https://git…

> No automatic sync

By design. Losing all rules because of sync snafu out of control of uMatrix is the absolute worst case. Importing/merging manually will prevent such disaster.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by dralley »

Redoubts wrote: post #330
dralley wrote: post #299

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I would really love to know what the Blood Alcohol Content of the Yahoo representatives that signed that contract was. Those terms seem absolutely braindead stupid.

I don’t know, but I bet Mozilla’s representatives’s were higher.

Idk, $375 million per annum through 2019 despite a declining user base, with the ability to leave the agreement at any time if Yahoo was acquired without incurring any penalty and where the new owner still has to pay out the contract without receiving anything in return, is a pretty goddamn good deal for Mozilla.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by [deleted] »

IChrisI wrote: post #131
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #66

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400 tabs? 400 ? I'm sorry if I sound a little condescending, but have you considered using bookmarks instead? I cannot even imagine a workflow where four flippin' hundred active tabs are needed.

It's not one workflow, and there is no scenario in which all 400 tabs are active at once. Bookmarks take an extra step to save to, an extra step to load from, and do not stay in sync as I browse. Synchronizing a bookmarks folder with 10-20 tab changes would take significant human overhead. Bookmarks are also slower to review than tabs, if you need to see anything besides the name/url/icon. You would need to load the…

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Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by chimeracoder »

pmoriarty wrote: post #372
chimeracoder wrote: post #320

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> I don't know that that's fair. The discussions I've seen and participated in have revolved around equivalency, not identity. I've developed a couple of Firefox extensions. One of those was an e10s-compatible replacement for Vimperator, because Vimperator relied on XUL[0]. (Vimperator broke long before Firefox 57, because e10s broke backwards compatibility with some extensions long before Firefox 57 did). The old ex…

"As someone who's written Firefox extensions that are no longer available due to the switch, I'm disappointed that this had to happen. But as a Firefox user, I'm much happier having Quantum and Electrolysis (e10s), and if the tradeoff is between those two directly, I'd choose Quantum + Electrolysis over those extensions." Well, I'm a Firefox user, not an extension developer, and Pentadactyl happened to be one of the…

> Well, I'm a Firefox user, not an extension developer, and Pentadactyl happened to be one of the extensions that made using Firefox bearable. Now that it's permanently broken,

Pentadactyl was all-but-abandoned for years before Vimperator was broken. It's been almost four years since it saw a release - which was for Firefox 24.0-30[0]. Its website still links at least three links to code.google.com on the front page! (I'm actually shocked if Pentadactyl has even been working for you until now, given that it was supposed to break a few release cycles ago - when e10s shipped - but maybe you just haven't updated Firefox in a while, or you manually disabled e10s.)

Vimperator - which is also incompatible with Firefox 55+ for the same reasons Pentadactyl is - at least has been receiving maintenance attention in the meantime[1], and also provides alternatives for use with Firefox 55+ (and 57+).

If you'd rather switch browsers entirely than use something like Vimium[2] on Firefox, go ahead, but it's hard to justify holding an entire browser back just to maintain compatibility with an extension that has been abandoned by its own maintainers. As I mentioned, I can't even reasonably expect them to hold Firefox back to maintain compatibility with the extensions I wrote and actively maintained. As a Firefox developer, I'm disappointed, but as a Firefox user, I'm more than happy enough with the changes to make up for it.

[0] http://5digits.org/pentadactyl/

[1] https://github.com/vimperator/vimperator-labs

[2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimium-ff/?sr...

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by sfink »

karrotwaltz wrote: post #283
barrkel wrote: post #7

Hopefully most of the missing extensions will be developed sooner rather than later. I have 15 extensions installed, 14 of which are "Legacy". The most critical one, Tree Style Tabs, has been converted. That was the key blocker that prevented me from seriously using Chrome. But many more remain; Cookie Controller, RefControl, some kind of Classic Theme Restorer equivalent (to get a menu bar back for Bookmarks, at a m…

Alright. Is anyone else here using Firefox's master password and found a solution in FF57? I have been using Master Password+ extension for a very long time, but without it using a master password is hell. I had a lot of other modules, but this one was the reason I was still using firefox. The annoying password prompt taking focus like popups in IE every time you open the navigator or a website you are not logged in…

Sorry, I don't follow. I'm on Nightly (the 58-to-be) and I have Firefox configured to use a master password. It seems to come up once per session -- are you shutting down your browser constantly or something? I'm a little confused as to what specifically you don't like. (The one time it comes up is pretty jarring, I'll agree.)

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by bobcall »

placeybordeaux wrote: post #371
bobcall wrote: post #367

This will be the first version of Firefox that I won't be using. The final straw with me was the "Studies" integration. I've wanted to stop using Firefox since Pocket and EME was integrated, but I have failed to find anything else that works for me. I can no longer pretend to trust the Mozilla Foundation or the Firefox team, given their track record over the last few years. In our current era, the browser has become…

Could you elaborate on how the second source is about censoring/tracking users?

Creating a single entity who gets to control what is true from its point of view?

> Mozilla’s Open Innovation team will work with ["like-minded"] technologists and artists to develop technology that combats misinformation. Mozilla will partner with global media organizations to do this, and also double down on our existing product work in the space, like Pocket, Focus, and Coral.

Firefox is the gatekeeper to the web for many and if Mozilla or this initiative is going to inject their bias in the browser, then it means that anyone that Mozilla or the Mozilla Information Trust Initiative disagrees with will get censored or their speech altered. No organization that is run by humans can make the claim that they won't have a bias one way or another. In order to have a free society, we must have the freedom to express any idea (no matter how stupid they might be). People have become too lazy to look at other sources or challenge what they hear. Ideas need to be challenged in the open and be able to hold their own weight. We should not need an organization or a browser making those calls.

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by Kuraj »

msla wrote: post #323
Mizza wrote: post #65

I just upgraded. It completely changes the chrome of the browser on OSX and it is _absolutely hideous_. There are a lots of unnecessary animations that I find very jarring. I don't know if there's a way to change it back yet. UPDATE: There is a "Customize Firefox" button which allows modifying the theme, which fixes the colors, but not the shape of the tabs or the animations. UPDATE: In about:config, you can disable…

And it's impossible to put the tabs beneath the address bar, or to have actual toolbars. Decades of UI/UX knowledge, down the drain. Usability is gone.

> And it's impossible to put the tabs beneath the address bar

I do not understand the significance of having the address bar above tabs from the UX perspective.

If anything, I feel that it should be below so that it can appear as a part of the tab's content - because it's contextual (each tab has it's own "instance" of the address bar)

Re: Firefox 57.0 Released

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Post by nisse72 »

barrkel wrote: post #7

Hopefully most of the missing extensions will be developed sooner rather than later. I have 15 extensions installed, 14 of which are "Legacy". The most critical one, Tree Style Tabs, has been converted. That was the key blocker that prevented me from seriously using Chrome. But many more remain; Cookie Controller, RefControl, some kind of Classic Theme Restorer equivalent (to get a menu bar back for Bookmarks, at a m…

I'm using tree style tabs, but now I have both tabs in a sidebar (where I want it) and conventional tabs along the top. WTF?

If anyone can see how to disable the tab bar at the top, please enlighten me!

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