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Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by Dylan16807 »

propogandist wrote: post #221
sprw121 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been shown many times over that this 59% number is terribly miscalculated.

sources? my colleague recently took a ~79 mile uber from one airport to a location 1.5hr away, his Uber cost was <$88.

The number was based on a misunderstanding of Uber's revenue numbers. The 41% was based on using the number for Uber's cut and thinking it was total fares.

When you look at all the money going through Uber, fares make up 79% of expenses for that accounting period. But that's not the right number either. A lot of those expenses are other departments in the company. So fares are paying for more than 80% of combined driver costs, infrastructure, and marketing. Possibly quite a bit more. And that number includes all the cities where they are burning money to expand.

I don't know if fares are greater than costs in established cities, but I would not at all be surprised if they were.

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Post by kayoone »

yardie wrote: post #18

I’m a big proponent of mass transit and when it’s available I use it if I can. But I can get Lyft door to door for just $1-2 more than a bus or train. If mass transit wants to keep with rideshare and livery they need to: expand routes, increase availability, update their equipment. When I was a kid I knew how to read a bus schedule and train map to plan my trip. Now, there is an entire generation of kids in school an…

That's why i don't even get the Uber/Lyft hype living in europe. In Berlin we only have Ubers that are essentially cabs and for me going to work would be around 15 EUR for a 25minute ride, while mass transit is 2.80 EUR when I don't have a monthly pass and have to pay the full price.

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Post by usaar333 »

ecesena wrote: post #2

In SF a bus ride used to cost 2.25$, and I think it’s now 2.50$. Lyft line most of the time is 4$ + 1$ for an extra passenger. Uber is probably similar and perhaps cheaper, I don’t know. In short, there’s no benefit in using busses anymore.

> In short, there’s no benefit in using busses anymore.

There's several benefits I find that lead me to favor buses more often than not:

1. Bus is far cheaper than what you listed as you can use pre-tax money. Many companies offer a transit subsidy, making it free.

2. Buses can be faster depending on wait time, going out of the way overhead, and dedicated bus lanes.

3. Legal to transport a toddler on a bus without bringing a car seat.

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Post by tradersam »

blueline wrote: post #368
tradersam wrote: post #262

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At least I rarely have to fear for my life while driving through a bad part of town, which is definitely not the case while using public transportation or walking. Which is my main point, health was a side note.

>I rarely have to fear for my life while driving through a >bad part of town >which is definitely not the case while using public >transportation Source? Are you sure that this perceived difference in safety in 'the bad part of town' is not completely in your mind? thousands of people take public transit through 'the bad parts of town' in places like Chicago and NYC every day and they (relatively speaking) don't have…

I understand this is purely anecdotal, but every time I'm driven through Compton, I've never had a problem. Almost every time I have to walk down Central, even to grab a drink from the gas station, someone see's me, a smaller white guy, and it always ends with me waving my Kershaw.

Also the reason why I moved down to Orange County, yet I still somehow landed in one of the worst neighborhoods in Anaheim.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ctoth wrote: post #150

I cannot drive. I take Uber to and from work every day using a Uber pass. If my alternative were public transit, a bus to a train to another bus or train depending, it would take me 1.5 hours per trip, for a total of 3 hours a day. I would not work in the corporate world if this were the case. Does this study capture these positive externalities? For blind people, these often-derided services are the difference betwe…

> For blind people, these often-derided services are the difference between a full life where we can participate

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, a big difference between old "Taxi mafia" and Uber is that the former will service people with disabilities, because they're forced to do so even if it's unprofitable by the same regulations that grant them semi-monopoly, while Uber will happily ignore this segment in its search for market efficiency.

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Post by jimbo999 »

MAGZine wrote: post #243
colechristensen wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The problem is that your car-driving case presumes the driver already wants to go to MV and is bringing his friends and they don’t mind coordinating to make that happen. This doesn't really make sense. My original point is that for me personally going alone, it is cheaper to drive than to use public transit. If I bring friends it is _much_ cheaper. At this moment I could take a CalTrain to SF for $33/person or a 4 p…

I'm unconvinced by your arguments, while I can understand (and agree) with some of the points you're making, I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it. CalTrain is $7.70 from MV to SF[0], not $33/person (or $16.5/person in your original comment). Or, you can get a montly pass for $215. You don't need to wait on trains if you get your schedule down. They're VERY timely in my experience (caltrain). It is true th…

> A honda civic advertises 40mpg

Buy a hybrid (ford c-max used is about 15K), drive conservatively and you can get that mpg in Bay Area traffic.

There's no way a civic gas gets that mpg on bay area roads, i would guess approx 20mpg tops with an experienced driver behind the wheel.

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Post by banned1 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #386
banned1 wrote: post #206

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Replace [BART] with Police and [police] with [congress]: "The Police doesn't release the videos to the public. They do release them to Congress. There are legitimate reasons not to release them to the public, including the fact that the media will sensationalize them to make the Police look far more dangerous than the statistics actually reflect." Would you still want videos withheld from the public? After all, BART…

Videos of what? If the police have videos of X person robbing Y person, with no police around, then I don't mind if they keep those videos private.

It's not about whether you mind or not.

It's about whether Y person will get justice.

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Post by ori_b »

avani wrote: post #332
twic wrote: post #297

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In London, efforts have been made to make buses and trains accessible for the blind and the mobility impaired, but there are also a couple of public schemes specifically for them. Taxicard makes it easy to arrange taxi trips, and subsidises them: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/taxis-and-minicabs/taxicard-and-cap... Dial-a-ride is a shared minibus: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/dial-a-ride/ As the names hint, they have been runn…

Those act like they're doing you a favor. "Our service will show up in an hour window if you call a day in advance, and you'd better be grateful, lesser human" I really fucking hate seperate but "equal" solutions for the disabled, and am grateful as hell I can afford to lyft everywhere I want to go.

You are still welcome to pay full price for taxi service.

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Post by zinckiwi »

ZanyProgrammer wrote: post #124
untog wrote: post #114

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Those are all important aspects, but it's also important to factor in accessibility (in the monetary sense, not physical - although that as well!), because that's one of the main reasons for public transit to exist. Yes, Uber and Lyft will provide better opportunities for transporting two large suitcases across town. But at what cost to the person who needs an affordable journey to work? Neither can come close to rep…

But most people don't bring luggage to work. It is doable with (ugh, they really do impact transit usage) multiple bus/light rail transfers to work without luggage. And good luck getting transit to get you to the airport at 0500 on a Saturday morning.

I’m writing from the airport after going there at 5am on a Monday morning, but the day doesn’t matter. The Airlink 100 passes through central Edinburgh six times an hour or more, from 4am to midnight, every day.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

banned1 wrote: post #397
Dylan16807 wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Videos of what? If the police have videos of X person robbing Y person, with no police around, then I don't mind if they keep those videos private.

It's not about whether you mind or not. It's about whether Y person will get justice.

Let me put it differently:

Police actions need to be transparent. There are strong reasons to release recordings with police actions in them.

But if the recordings are unrelated to any police officers or police actions, then all of that goes away. It's completely fine for police to not release footage of two random people interacting. And that scenario is what is analogous to BART surveillance videos.

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