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Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by psteinweber »

new299 wrote: post #174
SomeHacker44 wrote: post #141

As the head of a company that uses HipChat... Thank you Atlassian. We have intended to migrate to the (free and better) Mattermost for a long time and just have been waiting for it to hit the top of our priority list. Knowing you are abandoning the terrible HipChat for an entirely new product, with no migration path and 50% more cost, makes this an easier choice. You have been abandoning us on JIRA and Confluence as…

What are good options for replacing Confluence? I looked at available open source wiki's maybe 1 or 2 years ago and there seems to be nothing that was as easy to use for non-technical people (which would include having WYSIWYG style editing). Are there any good options now?

It probably matters highly on the use-case, but for us (documentation): Dropbox Paper.

Linking between documents is super easy (as opposed to similar "low tech" solutions like Google Docs, Markdown files, etc), and features are sufficient for our use. Due to its simplicity, I find it one of the most exciting products recently. (Not affiliated whatsoever)

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kuschku »

jjrh wrote: post #328
kuschku wrote: post #233

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And that is why I and many others are working on adding exactly that into today's IRC clients. Why I'm working on copy-paste of images and long text for quassel. Why people are working on WebRTC via IRC. All this is coming.

Why not XMPP though? Why hang onto IRC? I mean sure this is cool but it's client specific features with no standardisation of the protocol (correct me if i'm wrong). If I have to install a special client (quassel) to access these features how is that any better than installing a XMPP client? Only thing IRC has going for it is the existing userbase, most of who run clients that won't support these new features.

Actually, all these features are being standardized into the IRC protocol. That's the good part.

And we've got all the developers of all the major IRCds and cloents together, working on these things. In contrast to XMPP, where support for an XEP between clients is spotty, and in contrast to Matrix, where a single dev team runs the server with ~50% of global users, builds the clients, and servers.

I agree that XMPP is a better protocol, but with the people we have, we can, long term, change the IRC protocol, too.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by ngrilly »

scrollaway wrote: post #93
dleslie wrote: post #52

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Discord is more in line with TeamSpeak and Mumble; being that it's targeting gamers.

We use Discord for all communications at my company, including now our video chats. We are fully remote and Discord is so much better than Hangouts it's not even funny. I've also transferred all my skype and hangouts contact lists into Discord. It's a lovely tool, lock in be damned.

About your usage of Discord, do you miss the following features ?

- replies/threads (where you can reply to a specific message)

- star/flag messages (to retrieve them later)

- unable to set font size in the mobile app (the font size is too small for most people)

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by dleslie »

ngrilly wrote: post #393
scrollaway wrote: post #93

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We use Discord for all communications at my company, including now our video chats. We are fully remote and Discord is so much better than Hangouts it's not even funny. I've also transferred all my skype and hangouts contact lists into Discord. It's a lovely tool, lock in be damned.

About your usage of Discord, do you miss the following features ? - replies/threads (where you can reply to a specific message) - star/flag messages (to retrieve them later) - unable to set font size in the mobile app (the font size is too small for most people)

Slack threads are... terrible.

Let's just add another layer of indirection, and a layer of depth to the streams of information you manage!

Ugh.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by pavel_lishin »

pat_space wrote: post #374
pavel_lishin wrote: post #281

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I don't keep the client running all the time, but i do get notifications when I'm mentioned by name; haven't noticed any egregious problems. I don't think Hipchat is a POS - it gets the job done - but it is lacking some features that I would consider to be fairly basic. (Why can't I edit messages except with the s// syntax? Why can't I do basic text formatting?) I do agree with you on the lack of faith, though. Jira'…

I am very satisfied with the Confluence cloud web text editor, but the Jira cloud editor is TERRIBLE. I wish they would bring the Confluence functionality to Jira.

Confluence annoys me; I don't want a WYSIWYG, I want to be able to just write some markdown without trying to wrestle all my formatting into a form that works.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by new299 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #216
new299 wrote: post #174

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What are good options for replacing Confluence? I looked at available open source wiki's maybe 1 or 2 years ago and there seems to be nothing that was as easy to use for non-technical people (which would include having WYSIWYG style editing). Are there any good options now?

It's interesting. Confluence's "user friendly" editing and interlinking is a weakness for those who wish to have a clean hierarchy and well-defined document layout. Before our company started using Confluence, our team ran a Dokuwiki server. FOSS, can hook into AD, many plugins and extensions available. Worth looking at... yes, it does have Markdown based editing, though it has a rich editor to assist. EDIT: Apparent…

I mean the problem is that doesn't always go down well in an interdisciplinary environment.

Generally Markup works well for coders, but if they're non-coders it can sometimes be a challenge to get people using it I've found.

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Post by Arathorn »

synicalx wrote: post #357
dharma1 wrote: post #82

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matrix.org/riot.im (if you want open source protocol and client. it also has bridges to most others)

I'd like to try Matrix, but I can't get past the Jimmy Wales style begging that greets me on their home page.

This is pretty perverse - strangely enough we're not begging voluntarily or through greed. I'm not sure the fact that we need to pay our rent should turn you off the protocol...

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by ngrilly »

dleslie wrote: post #394
ngrilly wrote: post #393

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About your usage of Discord, do you miss the following features ? - replies/threads (where you can reply to a specific message) - star/flag messages (to retrieve them later) - unable to set font size in the mobile app (the font size is too small for most people)

Slack threads are... terrible. Let's just add another layer of indirection, and a layer of depth to the streams of information you manage! Ugh.

I agree about the drawbacks of threads as "another layer of indirection".

But if you don't have threads, and the number of participants in the same chat room grows, how do you manage the intertwining of messages belonging to different subjects?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by s73ver_ »

kuschku wrote: post #350
s73ver_ wrote: post #340

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Except it's not going to be part of the standard, and there's no way that I can guarantee that the other people in the chat room are using the same thing.

It doesn’t have to be. You just need copy-paste to a pastebin or upload site, and need clients to support embedding content. Then it doesn’t matter how each client does it. This already works between Textual, IRCCloud, QuasselWebserver, and a handful more.

So now I need yet another service, which may not be accessible to the other people.

I'm going to stick with the one that does the things that I want it to do now, and doesn't require me to hope that the other person can see what I'm trying to post.

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