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Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job

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Re: Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job

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>> I've always just sent a apologetic but firm email saying that I cannot accept those clauses and they always get removed Hold on, everyone! My parent(^) said something simple , yet it is powerful . I don't believe s/he realized they were providing such insightful information, but the little gem that makes a huge difference is in that short quote. While many companies may not be flexible with their contracts, I love…

I send the apologetic/firm message explaining my legal advisor rejected some clauses but also send the contract signed: "for your convenience I'm striking the clauses in red and sending it signed (I will be happy to sign a modified contract if you prefer)". In most jurisdictions outside USA, unlimited non-compete and indemnification clauses are not enforceable anyway. Here in Brazil there are special "labor" courts t…

You may not have understood my "eureka" moment.

It's better to politely request that the "undesirable" (ie: illegal) clauses be removed from the contract, rather than using red ink on the contract you were sent and submitting it as an ultimatum. Either way, you wouldn't work for them unless the changes are made. The result is the same; it's all about how you approach the matter - namely, with diplomatic tact. You give the company a chance to amend the contract in your favour on their end, rather than attempting - and possibly failing - to force their hand with a revised contract on your end.

You might be in a region where such clauses are not enforceable, but if you say "hell no that's illegal!", they'll trash your résumé and hire someone else who doesn't make such a fuss. The person who winds up being hired was just a "better match" and the "position was filled". You could always sign a contract with "unenforceable" clauses without complaining, and hope the law ultimately agrees with you... but do you really want to take the risk of falling on the wrong side of the law?

Put it this way: if you strike out the contract with red ink, here is what the employer sees: "Fuck you, you can't fucking give me fucking clauses like that. It's fucking illegal, so I have fucking stricken out that fucking bullshit clause 2.1, and you had better fucking accept me as a fucking employee anyway, you fucking pieces of fucking shit! Accept the fucking contract I have sent you with fucking red ink, and fucking hire me already!".

Versus: "Section 2.1 would prevent me from seeking employment upon leaving your company. That clause is not legally enforceable, so it would be better for both of us that I not sign this. I will sign a contract with provisions that I will not poach your clients or work for a direct competitor in your field for a period of X time. If you could please revise the contract, I will sign it and you will have me as your newest employee!"

So what if you calmly request these changes be made, and the company refuses to make the amendments to your contract? Of course you refuse to work for them. Maybe even sue for their illegal practices if you can afford the legal fees. The idea is not to accept unacceptable contractual terms. The point is to allow the company to believe they are accommodating your polite requests, rather than you having made non-negotiable demands as an ultimatum. It's a mind game that gives the illusion that the company is is control, while you hold all the cards.

The end result is the same. Either you will accept the contract or you won't. You're just being diplomatic, attempting to elicit a reaction from the employer that is in your favour, rather than making the scenario a one-sided "my way or the highway". Let the company believe they are obliging you instead of crumbling under pressure.

Re: Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job

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In the Netherlands is not legally enforceable either. You can only enforce not be able to take clients with you to your new employer for a fixed amount of time (e.g. 6 months).

Can you elaborate more on how it's not enforceable in NL or provide some reference? Here is an example of a contract from a tech company in NL w/ a noncompete: The Employee shall throughout the duration of this employment contract and for a period of one year after termination thereof, not be engaged or involved in any manner, directly or indirectly, whether on the account of the Employee or on the account of third p…

Of course it is legally correct but there are dozens of ways to get out of it. Some examples:

- If you can show that you are making a significant step career-wise (easy) - If your function is different than when you started and didn't sign a new non-compete (from backend to full-stack) - If the contract is temporary 6 months or 1 year its not valid - If you didn't specify a fine, you need to show evidence of damage/loss of that employee leaving to a competitor (impossible?)

So just a few ways to get rid of it. Almost every (employment) attorney in NL will get this non-compete blown away.

My 2 cents: It costs a lot of (negative) time and if someone wants to leave just let them go. If you respect them, they will respect you. If you screwed them over and over they already copied the data the want and will still leave.

Turn the non-compete to a non-client clause (relatiebeding), way softer but ensures that they can't "steal" your clients. Because you are being generous not limiting the person to move to a better position this clause will be way harder to get rid off. Still be reasonable though :)

Re: Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job

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Wouldn't that clause be voided too?

The severability clause is what keeps illegal clauses from invalidating the whole contract.

Yes, and CA really doesn't want non-compete clauses, so they invalidate the severability clause as well.

By the way, the Silicon Valley HBO show can be remarkably accurate on things. It's rare that a TV show gets things like this right, where people in the business don't.

I just happen to know lots of attorneys in the space. I am not an attorney or giving legal advice. Talk to your attorney for that.

Re: Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job

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What if you need that job to make ends meet?

>What if you need that job to make ends meet? Then perhaps you should be grateful enough to the company that is saving your bacon that you don't willfully violate contracts you signed with them.

Ha, you don't get it, at all.

You should read the history of labour laws.

Re: Noncompete Clauses: Signing Away the Right to Get a New Job

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You are either being obstinate, or are comically naive. Not everyone who disagrees with your apparent "libertarianism with zero exceptions" philosophy is a freedom-hating communist, and your position is indefensible if you are too myopic to even consider some of the very real edge cases where it falls on its face. Get off your high horse.

>You are either being obstinate, or are comically naive. Perhaps you can show me some evidence to support the ridiculous statement that "plenty of people starve in the US."

Seriously?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_in_the_United_States

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