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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by jvzr »

scholia wrote: post #370
jvzr wrote: post #342

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It's still there though, isn't it? Granted you don't see it in the Start Menu, but it remained installed on your system. God knows if it's not having its own process at launch, doing similarly nasty stuff?

It isn't. You could easily check that in Task Manager or Process Explorer and/or Glasswire or whatever. Most of these things take up a trivial amount of disk space -- some of them are just placeholders -- so they're not worth the time taken to worry about them.

I understand they are not worth it, but it boggles my mind that you have to accept their presence in the first place.

You never explicitly asked for it to be added there, did you?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by gabriele »

jads wrote: post #93
jaimebuelta wrote: post #12

This is an incredibly weird thing... Inviting a bunch of bloggers into a room and saying that they're sorry, but they have great stuff down the line? It feels incredibly un-Apple.

They likely didn't have a choice, especially as they released a speed bump today. The Mac Pro had become a bit of a joke but the iMac and MBP range was powerful enough (just enough) that the pro community would grumble more than complain. After the critical reception of the new MacBook Pro range amongst the Apple community, especially pro users, everyone was questioning Apple's commitment to pro users, and the Mac as…

> They likely didn't have a choice

Probably, but I've read Gruber's piece twice and I couldn't help but feel as if the talk was held by a bunch of young geeks coming from a Kickstarter project.

Maybe that's an Apple's new approach at PR but it sounds like they tried to downplay the impact of bad management that ultimately led to a failure that must have cost them millions.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by ctrl-j »

maccard wrote: post #311
ctrl-j wrote: post #268

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> It's annoying, but not that annoying. I dunno, I've done all kinds of stuff to my windows 10 machine to keep Candy Crush Soda from reinstalling itself. Yet every few weeks/months that King garbage ends up on my start menu. I use windows 10 because I'm a .NET developer and a gamer. If I could use OSX on my desktop instead, and have access to the same steam games - I can't think of a reason I would stay. > Less clutt…

> I dunno, I've done all kinds of stuff to my windows 10 machine to keep Candy Crush Soda from reinstalling itself. Yet every few weeks/months that King garbage ends up on my start menu. Another anecdote, I right clicked and clicked "unpin from start" and never saw it again.

Sure, but I told windows to uninstall it. Windows reinstalled it. I told it to again, windows did it again.

It bothers me. It doesn't bother you. That's fine.

Microsoft lost points with me, doesn't mean it has to affect you in any way.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by Godel_unicode »

Karunamon wrote: post #359
yokohummer7 wrote: post #226

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> It's terrible to script I'm pretty sure you didn't try PowerShell. It is at least as good as bash, if not better. > you need to use the mouse too much I find this more problematic on macOS. I was forced to use a mouse much more on macOS. It doesn't even allow me to press the yes/no dialog only using a keyboard. On Windows nearly every item has a shortcut, sometimes even better than GNOME (but worse than KDE, IMO).

Powershell might have some neat features, but the verbosity of the commands (don't bring up shortcuts here either - you need the full commands as that's what everyone else is using) just drives me batty. I find that they don't lend themselves well to mnemonics or easy memorization. Who needs ls when you have Get-ChildItem? Who needs grep -r 'pattern' when you have Select-String -Path c:\ -Pattern pattern? Now that I…

Microsoft might have gone a little far on the whole "code is meant to be read first" thing, but the verbosity does make it immediately obvious what every line in your history does.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by aareet »

issa wrote: post #318
Eun wrote: post #222

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Window management in OSX is horrible. Finder is even more horrible. It reminds me of the Windows 95 Explorer. A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts.

My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

Magnet has been working well for me for years - https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/magnet/id441258766?mt=12

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by throwaway91111 »

inetknght wrote: post #206
SippinLean wrote: post #186

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>I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X Specifically? People typically point to the telemetry and forced updates, but I've managed to disable both, using what were admittedly much-too-difficult procedures or third-party software. It's annoying, but not that annoying. I really like Finder and Spotlight, but not enough to be tied, via licensing, to any specific hardware. Less cluttering--I can uninstall apps…

> It's annoying, but not that annoying. For you, maybe. For me, I have zero intention of going through the hassle when I can just use Linux instead. Any hassles here are easily learned and generally don't _require_ the use of third party stuff doing black magic under the hood.

The issue for linux are often things you can't solve at all. Like poor power management.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by timdavila »

dade_ wrote: post #168

Brand loyalty is silly. It does mean I need to avoid platform lock-in, but it is completely worth it. I buy the best machine available for me at the time. When it was time to replace my MacBook Pro 2011, it wasn't a machine from Apple. I bought a Surface Pro 3 and thought that I'd switch back to Mac when Apple sorted out whatever their problem is. Vapour Race 2017: Next Gen MacBook Pro or Surface Pro 5. It would be n…

How do you like the Surface Pro 3 for software development? Do you have an external monitor/keyboard setup?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by veidr »

adtac wrote: post #193
csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

>32/64GB RAM I'm genuinely curious - why do you need 64 GB of RAM on a laptop? Are there industries where this is a necessity? At that point, wouldn't you be better off having remote machines?

> why do you need 64 GB of RAM

I see this question often, and I totally don't get it. I do use 64GB for work, and in light of this news that no new Mac Pro will arrive any time soon, I'm considering bumping that to 128GB[1]. But I don't do high-frequency corporate hegemony work, or video editing, or any of that — I'm just a programmer.

Moreover, you could delete IDEA and Xcode and my 5 browsers and 7 text editors and my 30 terminal windows and git client and all the other work-related stuff open right now, and I'd still easily use 64GB just fucking around.

I wonder: how is it that people don't use 64GB of RAM? Do they reboot their machines every week? Do they fastidiously quit applications even though they'll probably use the app again within a few days? Are they just all like, "modern memory-swapping technology is so awesome compared to 1990s System 7 'Virtual Memory' that I love to watch it work, even though things run an order of magnitude slower in many critical sections"?

I really don't get it. Terabytes of RAM? Yeah, that might be hard to make use of today. But 64GB is definitely not too much, not for me and probably not for you, or even for your mom.

I don't have 64GB in my laptop, but only because I can't and have to settle for 16GB (unless I switch to a different OS, which is on balance a worse tradeoff currently, and yeah yeah I'm rooting for Linux but come on, one can only maintain hope for a couple decades and that mark is fast approaching...)

Cheap RAM is one of the things that keeps hope alive in this increasingly degenerate era.

[1]: https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/13...

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by aareet »

xemoka wrote: post #380
issa wrote: post #318

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My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

Hammerspoon! Combined with Miro's lua script [1] it provides virtually the same interface (if you've got the "hyper" key setup properly) [1] https://github.com/miromannino/miro-windows-management

Not sure if it's just my experience, but I've found Hammerspoon to be extremely demanding on my older 2012 MacBook Air. I find single purpose apps somehow work better.

But I do love the amazing level of configuration and scripting that Hammerspoon allows you to do.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by bobochan »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #385
bobochan wrote: post #343

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Notepad??? OS X has shipped with both emacs and vim since Day 1. I'm sorry, but you seem quite unfamiliar with Macs. You are correct, I would never suggest anyone have an FTP client; I have that service turned off on every machine I administer. SSH / SFTP are fundamental tools however.

> SSH / SFTP are fundamental tools They are provided out of the box (and newer versions than OSX ships with) by WSL. As is vim, emacs, apt, etc.

Excellent point. WSL is certainly a step in the right direction.
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