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> the large number of authoritarians here. Everybody who has a different viewpoint than me is a !

How would you label people who are for reducing civil liberties then?

I think you should provide a bit of evidence for the "large numbers" of people in favour of "reducing civil liberties" on these boards.

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Authoritarians are very possibly not welcome. Non-authoritarian members of the religious right, cultural conservatives, etc. are very likely welcome. (And of course any variety of libertarian.)

Cultural conservatives are authoritarian. They argue for restricted social liberty.

I think that depends, and the issue is more complicated than you make out. To play devil's advocate, consider the conflict between freedom of association (or religious freedom) and anti-discrimination laws. You could argue that valuing either is a pro-liberty stance. The notion of liberty is kind of difficult to pin down when you're talking about interactions between free individuals.

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Did a bunch of people just learn the term "virtue signaling" in the last few days? I don't recall seeing it spoken on here in ages but it seems I've read it 20 times in just the last few days. It reminds me of a child who learns a new, big word and then porceeds to use it in conversation (to "show off") as often as possible.

Right-wing trolls all hang out in the same subreddits and /pol/ threads, so they have a common set of talking points which inevitably take on a "flavor of the week".

Yes, anyone who calls out moral grandstanding is a right-wing troll.

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This logic (people should do nothing today because they did nothing yesterday) doesn't make any sense, and I don't get why it keeps coming up every time something related to Trump's policy comes up.

I think that's not an accurate portrayal of their position. They're not saying one should continue doing nothing, they're instead trying to be gatekeepers of virtue. They're saying "You shouldn't get to have good publicity from this when it's convenient for you." Which is open to a completely different criticism, but is emphatically not saying people should continue doing nothing.

The effect is the same, though.

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The best time to plant a tree was yesterday. I can personally forgive them, but we need to hold these players accountable in the future. If marketing moves is what incentives them, we need to make it impossible to move us without extended action. Edit: Ya'll are cynical Jedis.

> The best time to plant a tree was yesterday. I can personally forgive them, but we need to hold these players accountable in the future. If marketing moves is what incentives them, we need to make it impossible to move us without extended action. I feel like I hear that line on a daily basis but it doesn't factor in reality. To stretch the metaphor further (for illustration), if the lot where you'll be planting the…

and applying that stretched metaphor back to its original context, we shouldn't support civil liberties if they're a lost cause. but what have we actually achieved with all this metaphor stretching?

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It only looks that way from an extreme-left perspective.

So what "extreme left" positions does the ACLU endorse?

I didn't say they were extreme left. I said they only look moderate/apolitical from an extreme-left perspective.

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Did a bunch of people just learn the term "virtue signaling" in the last few days? I don't recall seeing it spoken on here in ages but it seems I've read it 20 times in just the last few days. It reminds me of a child who learns a new, big word and then porceeds to use it in conversation (to "show off") as often as possible.

It's a newer form of calling people "SJW's" or "White Knights", thereby reducing their opposition to caricatures and removing any realistic and reasonable discussion.

> thereby reducing their opposition to caricatures and removing any realistic and reasonable discussion.

Isn't that exactly what you're doing with this comment by comparing the term to "SJW" and "White Knight"?

Pot, meet kettle.

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Can you elaborate on why that position excludes the ACLU from receiving your support? I don't understand your position.

Since they mentioned the womb, I'm assuming this person is pro-life. The ACLU is decidedly not pro-life. https://www.aclu.org/issues/reproductive-freedom/abortion

Thank you. That seems clear now, I must have mis-read their post.
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