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Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Classic Microsoft. Their supposed FOSS turn is an obvious trap. Trust them at your own peril.

Classic Linux zealot/fanboy. M$ is evil and the root cause of a problem. -Evidence? -It's M$ bruh.

Yeah, it's not like they have a history of undermining whatever they consider competition, right?

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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So they did lie when they said "Microsoft Loves Linux". https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsserver/2015/05/06... Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

> So they did lie when they said "Microsoft Loves Linux". No, the title and "secret agreement" theory is just BS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor > Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. MS hasn't been the boss of anyone much ever since 2005 or so... http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html

>Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

I think he means about character of those persons, who were something upfront and really creaky behind.

Like BillGates, who have done some bad things in past...

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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The worst part is the reaction from Lenovo in my opinion. They just locked the thread reporting the issue on their forum, not saying anything about the problem itself but instead threatened the community to turn the pre-approval option on. This really makes me angry and makes me want to boycott their products. I really hope this issue will spread so that Lenovo learn that they made a bad move on this one. It also mad…

> It also made me realize how important it is to have a community on which one can rely to spread problems like this one. Several people on their own can't do much against big companies, but a big tech commnity can. I never think that a support forum should be owned by the company. There is a clear conflict of interest. The company does not want you calling them out on product flaws or their behaviour, on a site that…

> fora

Off-topic, but for future reference:

fora = forums, viri = viruses, indices = indexes, formulae = formulas,

etc.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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So sad to hear this. I am typing this comment from a Ubuntu on Lenovo (some 2014 model). Looks like Lenovo is not interested in business of us people.

Also Microsoft, of late, has been getting some positive news regarding open source contribution. Looks like there are parts of it, which continue to remind us, why we hated it so much pre 2004, when it lost the computing dominance war with Google.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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The worst part is the reaction from Lenovo in my opinion. They just locked the thread reporting the issue on their forum, not saying anything about the problem itself but instead threatened the community to turn the pre-approval option on. This really makes me angry and makes me want to boycott their products. I really hope this issue will spread so that Lenovo learn that they made a bad move on this one. It also mad…

The version of linux he used does not have the right drivers! simple.

You're missing the point. The mode of operation is defined in the BIOS, and these parts have been deliberately disabled. Whilst in theory it's true that Debian could potentially release a version in the future at present due to delibrate crippling in the BIOS (changed firmware to disable features) one can not even workaround this.

Acer used to do something somewhat similar on some Aspire models (disabling option to enable Vx at BIOS) so using VirtualBox was a no starting, but with some creativity and long winded efi vars mounting and fiddling you could get it working or break your system, not soldering though :)

I'd be interested to see how it pans out Lenovo community admins are worse than Acer community. At least with Dell I find a few engineer on Twitter and ping them..

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but has anyone verified that? The person posting it even said they've booted a Linux installer - if it was "locked" at firmware level you wouldn't even be able to do that.

What needs to be verified, and by whom? Right now we have one assertion, from a person claiming to be a Lenovo representative (an "expert" even), on a Lenovo-hosted forum. It is not up to the rest of the world to divine meaning from Lenovo's PR policy. If they are happy to allow nitwits to make public statements like that, they should be fully prepared to handle the fallout.

The screenshot that particular quote comes from appears to be from a Best Buy review section not a Lenovo hosted site, so it's unclear whether the Lenovo Product Expert is even a Lenovo employee or just the Best Buy droid assigned to answering Qs for Lenovo products.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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The worst part is the reaction from Lenovo in my opinion. They just locked the thread reporting the issue on their forum, not saying anything about the problem itself but instead threatened the community to turn the pre-approval option on. This really makes me angry and makes me want to boycott their products. I really hope this issue will spread so that Lenovo learn that they made a bad move on this one. It also mad…

I won't do business with Lenovo after running into multiple BIOS soft locks. The first, I was attempting to install a WiMaX card into some random laptop, and the last Thinkpad I had was BIOS locked to only be able to accept the 80GB HDD that it came with. It would have been so snappy with an SSD! It has been three years now that I refuse to purchase any products from the company and six years since I ran into their first BIOS soft lock. I was yelling about it back then, but nobody gave a shit.

swings a lit lantern around the marketplace at noon

BIOS IS DEAD! AND YOU HAVE KILLED IT!

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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Timing couldn't be better to now announce the new MacBook Pro. The issue doesn't affect Thinkpad line but sure does help people to make a buying decision between a MBP and a Thinkpad.

Because Macbook Pros are known for hassle-free Linux support?

For most of these people it's a decision between OS X on MBP vs Linux on a non-Apple laptop.

Re: Linux can’t be installed on a recent Lenovo laptop

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The other HN thread suggests this not actually a dark conspiracy by Microsoft but simply a case of missing linux drivers for the storage devices. This sounds believable to me. But I'll put my tinfoil hat on just for fun and pretend it was an intentional move. Could this make sense as a new twist on the old strategy, making it "Embrace, Extinguish, Extend"? With the WSL, they made it theoretically possible to run Linu…

>locking existing users out of Linux A serious question: What gives Linux users the right to expect that Linux will run on any given PC / laptop? Think about it. These PCs/laptops are designed to adhere to Microsoft's Windows PC hardware standards doc (which was never, ever an open standard) and, with few exceptions, only tested against various versions of Windows. Linux users are failing to receive a feature that th…

Seriously, you have a very limited word view. Learn more about what Personal Computer means, have a look at Wikipedia.
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