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Re: Twitter's Fucked

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Post by Asooka »

raiyu wrote: post #41

Every platform that is public and anonmyous runs afoul of this, this isn't just twitter. You can look at Youtube comments, reddit, pretty much any forum. What's missing is that other platforms, like Facebook, took a very hard stance on this and forced people to signup as their real identities. Twitter, can easily follow suit. That won't fix all of the problems, but it will go towards improving things and it won't req…

> Every platform that is public and anonmyous runs afoul of this, this isn't just twitter. You can look at Youtube comments, reddit, pretty much any forum.

I would say every platform that is public and has anonymous people interacting with public personalities. If everyone on twitter was 100% anonymous you wouldn't be able to harass people like that. You would still be able to spam and harass, but you won't be harassing the Leslie Jones, you would be harassing some pseudonymous identity.

There is a very important reason people used to be told "NEVER EVER WRITE YOUR PERSONAL DETAILS ONLINE EVER ANYWHERE". You don't want your real life connected with your online pseudonym that you use on fun message boards, because for some people fun is sending SWAT teams to your house. I wouldn't mind if the solution is to separate online environments to ones that are completely pseudonymous, including permanently erasing identities corresponding to people that get doxxed; and ones where you can only post with your real-life name and identity. There is obviously a need for both environments, but having pseudonymous people co-exist with real people seems to be a recipe for mostly pain.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

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Post by Asooka »

glomek wrote: post #154
raiyu wrote: post #41

Every platform that is public and anonmyous runs afoul of this, this isn't just twitter. You can look at Youtube comments, reddit, pretty much any forum. What's missing is that other platforms, like Facebook, took a very hard stance on this and forced people to signup as their real identities. Twitter, can easily follow suit. That won't fix all of the problems, but it will go towards improving things and it won't req…

> Every platform that is public and anonmyous runs afoul of this, this isn't just twitter. You can look at Youtube comments, reddit, pretty much any forum. We had ways of dealing with this on Usenet back in the day. 1) Thick skin, and 2) killfiles. Generally, killfiles weren't for people with whom you disagreed (though they could be, if you wanted), they were for people who were assholes.

Also, on Usenet nobody knew you were the Leslie Jones. Or a dog. On Twitter, there's a little blue indicator showing everyone that yes, this is the precise person you want to attack. It could just as well be a big target icon with "SEND ME HATE" in big letters.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

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Post by gedrap »

dabockster wrote: post #274
xseven wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is not as mainstream as Twitter or Reddit, so I don't think we can really compare it that way

I wouldn't necessarily consider Reddit mainstream either. Sure, it has a lot of users. But I don't hear people on the streets telling each other to look at their subreddits.

If we can trust in Alexa, reddit is #26 globally and #9 in the US. Even with some error margin, that's damn mainstream.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

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Post by scholia »

michaelbuddy wrote: post #388
scholia wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say it was the primary feature. I simply pointed out that verification wasn't as simple as is generally assumed. > Removing Milo's check out of politically-driven spite definitely undermines the validity of the entire verification system. That sounds like a prejudiced opinion expressed in prejudicial language. However, you might consider this section from I’m With The Banned https://medium.com/welcome-to-the…

> Milo shows no remorse for the avalanche of misconduct he helped direct towards Leslie Jones. He shows no remorse because she clearly didn't suffer from anything he said. Like I said before. Other people actually harassed, he didn't. Trolling a celebrity star of a bad movie isn't harassment by any measure. His comments were intelligent and funny. His article on Breitbart was scathing, which is why Jack targeted him,…

> His comments were intelligent and funny.

So, you've been suckered by an obvious troll.

> In fact, since he's in love with british black men, your comment has no value there because you're clearly uninformed on his background.

You're funny. OK, answer these questions:

1) Where was Milo born? 2) What was his birth name? 3) What does his father do for a living?

I have another dozen if you get any of those right.

One of us knows Milo and it isn't you ;-)

Re: Twitter's Fucked

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Post by scholia »

michaelbuddy wrote: post #390
scholia wrote: post #250

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Your problem, I think.

Yeah I reread his tweets there. They were no where near harassment level, again I reiterate. This is twitter's failure and it didn't help them in their stock this week. It may be a fatal blow as things continue and replacement platforms start to surface.

I read his tweets. We followed each other on Twitter. The problem is you're naive enough not to understand them. But as with gamergate, Milo is an expert at exploiting dupes.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

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Post by scholia »

michaelbuddy wrote: post #389
scholia wrote: post #249

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You're ignoring the context. Milo knew what he was doing. It was deliberate harassment. And thanks to his thuggish role in gamergate, he had plenty of "previous".

his 'thuggish role' you mean when he realized that the media were telling lies, where gaming websites were insulting gamers and he stood up for them on Twitter and Breitbart. What you call thuggish is really superior charisma and getting results.

Whatever #gamergate was supposed to be, in reality, it resulted in a series of thuggish massed attacks on women such as Zoë Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.

I guess any self-righteous and simple-minded "cause" like #gamergate is likely to attract trolls and misogynists, but my personal experience on Twitter was that it was mainly backed by thick bigots. Of course, YMMV.

Just the sort of crowd that Milo can manipulate. And in his cynical self-aggrandising universe, dupes are there to be manipulated.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

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Post by Karunamon »

scholia wrote: post #396
michaelbuddy wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

his 'thuggish role' you mean when he realized that the media were telling lies, where gaming websites were insulting gamers and he stood up for them on Twitter and Breitbart. What you call thuggish is really superior charisma and getting results.

Whatever #gamergate was supposed to be, in reality, it resulted in a series of thuggish massed attacks on women such as Zoë Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. I guess any self-righteous and simple-minded "cause" like #gamergate is likely to attract trolls and misogynists, but my personal experience on Twitter was that it was mainly backed by thick bigots. Of course, YMMV. Just the sort of crowd that Milo can manipulate. And…

I implore you to read some of the facts on #gamergate - it's no coincidence that most of the people crowing the loudest about harassment have a financial motive to present that argument.

Most of what you're hearing is horribly, horribly slanted, if not outright false. Ask yourself why we're supposed to take someone that cries "i'm being harassed!" on faith. Ask yourself why certain prominent individuals have been caught faking harassment directed at themselves.

http://deepfreeze.it - literally every single point of discussion on this site is backed up with a citation, and it provides a very strong, very plausible alternative to the narrative surrounding that movement. I'm not going to say that trolls in there don't exist, but it's not near as significant a component of the group as you've been led to believe.

Re: Twitter's Fucked

#398

Post by scholia »

Karunamon wrote: post #397
scholia wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever #gamergate was supposed to be, in reality, it resulted in a series of thuggish massed attacks on women such as Zoë Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. I guess any self-righteous and simple-minded "cause" like #gamergate is likely to attract trolls and misogynists, but my personal experience on Twitter was that it was mainly backed by thick bigots. Of course, YMMV. Just the sort of crowd that Milo can manipulate. And…

I implore you to read some of the facts on #gamergate - it's no coincidence that most of the people crowing the loudest about harassment have a financial motive to present that argument. Most of what you're hearing is horribly, horribly slanted, if not outright false. Ask yourself why we're supposed to take someone that cries "i'm being harassed!" on faith. Ask yourself why certain prominent individuals have been cau…

> Most of what you're hearing is horribly, horribly slanted, if not outright false.

Not in my personal experience, both of Milo and of Gamergate. Glad to hear you have a different and better experience, but I saw the harassment and thuggery in action.

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