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UK votes to leave EU

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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by kaftoy »

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

"Do you know how many German cars are sold in the UK each year?"

So what you are saying is that brits will stop buying German/EU cars? Where are they going to buy their cars from? It's not like UK has some meaningfull car making industry, they moved all factories away. Not everyone can buy an Aston Martin.

I think that as long as the price for an EU car will be just below the price for importing an equivalent car from US or Asia, brits will have no other choice but to buy from Germans, even with new taxes added.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by ivoras »

One more thing: the UK was the official reason English is one of the languages of the EU (same as, on paper at least, with all the other languages). It will require some more fiddling to keep it so.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by bayesian_horse »

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

"Trade curbs" are not within the discussion. But without EU regulations applying to Britain, you can't simply continue international trade without additional costs. Even without additional taxes, there is a lot of added cost in bureaucracy and handling.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by tormeh »

bromuro wrote: post #347

As someone who doesn't want this neo-liberist, anti-democratic EU I see this as a very good news. Let's hope Denmark and France to follow.

Well, Britain is largely responsible for making the EU neo-liberalist...

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by wyclif »

beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

$4 trillion a day changes hands on the foreign exchange market, and half of that is in London. England is going to be OK, people. Project Fear has been voted down, after all.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by Scarblac »

kps wrote: post #232
beninvalencia wrote: post #122

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

“The EU” is not the same as the people of the EU. The French and Dutch people voted against the Maastricht Treaty when given the chance.

...through stupid yes/no referenda. No voters included people opposed to the whole idea, people disagreeing with some small part and also people who thought it didn't go far enough, but mainly people who wanted to protest the national government at the time, as usual.

The Netherlands has unfortunately become much more Eurosceptic since, but let's not conclude too much from those referenda.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by defen »

davnn wrote: post #288

I truly do not understand our society. Europe is split, even if the countries aren't, the people are. Every political decision ends up being a race of the well-educated against the less-educated. The clash of classes happens not only in Europe, the Trump success is the same story. Maybe I'm just too young and uninformed to understand and that's how the world works ever since?

> Every political decision ends up being a race of the well-educated against the less-educated.

The less-educated perceive that the well-educated have been giving them a raw deal, and looking at outcomes it's hard to think they're wrong. They also breed more, so there are more of them.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by estefan »

lettergram wrote: post #51

I still have severe doubts this will happen. It will take many years to renegotiate and most treaties will be in effect until then. My guess is very little changes, it's more of a sign that people want their country sovereign as opposed to being ruled by a committee in another country.

It'll need to happen quickly to calm the markets. Otherwise our economy will suffer massively leading to recession.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by darawk »

gakada wrote: post #280
darawk wrote: post #271

So, devil's advocate here: Can someone explain to me why this is a bad thing? I feel like most educated people seem to think this is terrible (and the markets seem to agree), but to me, the European union seems like an anti-democratic institution that doesn't really provide much value. I mean, don't me wrong, removing trade barriers is probably good. But won't the UK just be able to pretty quickly renegotiate basical…

Single market. Despite some bigots who don't want Polish people existing near them, having free movement of people, goods, capital and all the rest of it is really good for the participant economies. Can you imagine if US citizens had to get a visa to move from New York to California?

Ya I agree that that's a good thing. It just doesn't seem to me that you need such a powerful unelected institution overseeing it. Just make an agreement that people and goods can move freely.
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