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Apple Stole My Music

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Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by dangravell »

Karunamon wrote: post #341
rsync wrote: post #294

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"If your files aren't tagged correctly (which is distressingly common), then the auto organization will make a pig's breakfast of your library." Pray tell, how should my WAV/PCM files be "tagged" ? What's the format for that ? Exactly.

You just described the reason for the existence of ID3. But, if you insist on using files that don't have a metadata standard, the only way to organize them is in the database of the library application. Which generally won't be portable to other applications.

WAVs have had a metadata standard since they were invented, see RIFF INFO. And now more software is supporting ID3v2 inside WAVs too.

What you meant is a standard that was used. That's changing, a little.

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Post by __david__ »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #133
givinguflac wrote: post #80

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God forbid there is a bug in software! This article is crap, maybe he ran into an issue but I've helped over a dozen people get setup on Apple Music and not once has there been file deletion. I am very skeptical that theoretical phone rep said any of these things either. Obviously there is a bug that needs fixing, but this is definitely not a platform wide attempt to delete anyone's data.

A few years ago, after a couple of weeks of ripping my CD collection to FLAC, I decided to import it into iTunes. What happened next was an epic fail exactly like the article describes - iTunes trashed my collection, "organised" the files in it in ways that were buggy and just plain wrong, and turned two weeks of part time effort into completely wasted time. This was before iCloud, and fortunately I keep my own music…

Yeah, the "Keep my iTunes Folder Organized" option (under "Advanced") is not your friend. It frustrates me that it is on by default. I guess that's fine for casual users, but if you care at all about your music, turn it off.

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Post by calciphus »

wlesieutre wrote: post #256
falcolas wrote: post #190

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Another point of data in favor of "they deleted my music" here. And when they did it, they were only matching on the file metadata, so the album they removed was truly lost, since I got some weird techno album in its place. Thankfully, it's one I can recover from a CD, when I find it again.

Thanks for the confirmation. I've been weighing my options between Apple Music and Spotify Premium and that makes up my mind. iTunes is enough of a pain in the ass without worrying about whether it'll delete my music collection. The 3-month premium promotion that Spotify is running doesn't hurt either.

Go try Google Music. You get non-destructive music sync (10,000 songs or something?) and a massive library. Plus, the curated stations are all the old Songza content that was pretty awesome. $10/mo

And you get Youtube without ads for the same price.

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Post by WillPostForFood »

karlshea wrote: post #292
Kadin wrote: post #202

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I can't comment on Win10 per se, because I haven't seen a compelling set of features that would cause me to upgrade my Win7 machine. Win7 is essentially what WinXP was a few years ago; it's not perfect, but it's familiar and it gets the job done and it stays out of the way (most of the time). As a user, Microsoft has to offer me something significant if they want me to spend time learning something new, and I've not…

Win 10 is to Win 8 what Win 7 was to Vista.

For me:

Windows 10 is to Win 7 what Win ME was to XP.

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Post by xigency »

Splendor wrote: post #366
xigency wrote: post #353

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You're lucky El Capitan works for you. Usually with iPhone/iPod Video upgrades, getting the latest version of iOS with an older device can significantly degrade performance. (And I'm sure it's the same with iPads.) At least on a Macbook you can reinstall the operating system, but an iPhone 4 is stuck like that.

> Usually with iPhone/iPod Video upgrades, getting the latest version of iOS with an older device can significantly degrade performance. Is this claim based on anecdotal evidence or some other source?

There was a class action lawsuit filed just a few months after an upgrade was released:

http://mashable.com/2015/12/31/iphone-4s-ios-9-lawsuit/#l.Zf...

Edit: I'm not sure if this has been fixed with the later iOS 9 versions.

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by muso1999 »

funkyy wrote: post #75

I am surprised at people trying to rationale Apples wrongdoing by pointing at Google and bringing some crazy examples. There is no rationale in this - this is outright breaking your privacy and ownership rights. No terms and conditions can be above law. It doesn't matter what others do - Apple is doing those crazy things here and there trying to test the ground which indicates they are not pro privacy and pro user, b…

This is almost certainly not apple acting alone. There will have been lengthy contract negotiations (and probably a lot of pressure from the major labels). The auto-overwriting metadata issue is probably apple alone though, they've long been very exacting about the metadata of music in itunes. They already throw their weight around in the supply chain by demanding that metadata is correct or they won't accept music, which they can do because they control so much of the market. I'm not surprised they're expanding that to user's devices (presumably for matching purposes for igenius). The industry sucks, so many middlemen with so much power :(

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Post by jlarocco »

Splendor wrote: post #366
xigency wrote: post #353

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You're lucky El Capitan works for you. Usually with iPhone/iPod Video upgrades, getting the latest version of iOS with an older device can significantly degrade performance. (And I'm sure it's the same with iPads.) At least on a Macbook you can reinstall the operating system, but an iPhone 4 is stuck like that.

> Usually with iPhone/iPod Video upgrades, getting the latest version of iOS with an older device can significantly degrade performance. Is this claim based on anecdotal evidence or some other source?

Probably anecdotal, but I've had the same experience.

It affects iPad, too.

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Post by turbohedgehog »

__david__ wrote: post #389
IBM wrote: post #277

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Apple Music doesn't delete the original files. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204962 >When Apple Music adds these matched songs to your iCloud Music Library, Apple Music doesn’t change or alter your original music files that reside in iTunes for Mac or PC or on your iOS devices from which they were added.

That sentence is from the iTunes Music Match section, not the Apple Music section. They are different.

>When iTunes Match adds these songs to your iCloud Music Library, iTunes Match doesn’t change or alter your original music files that reside on iTunes for Mac or PC or on your iOS devices from which they were added.

>When Apple Music adds these matched songs to your iCloud Music Library, Apple Music doesn’t change or alter your original music files that reside in iTunes for Mac or PC or on your iOS devices from which they were added.

What's the difference?

Re: Apple Stole My Music

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Post by stordoff »

rossng wrote: post #74

Every time I am asked to set up someone's Apple device, I find it incredibly difficult to: * Get it synced properly * Determine what is stored in iCloud/on-device * Ensure that device contents are actually backed-up, unless done manually * Set up simple things like email accounts Just a month or two ago, I was helping someone whose iTunes music wouldn't sync to their iPhone. It turned out that, when they signed up to…

Not so much devices (rarely come into contact with them), but this is what finally pushed me away from iTunes - https://i.imgur.com/JUIXKTd.jpg

For various reasons, I have multiple Apple IDs with iTunes content linked to them (old account, new account, various region changes over the years etc.). At some point, Apple decided that you could only download past purchases with _one_ Apple ID per computer per ninety days, effectively locking me out of the content unless I had a local copy[1] and was using a pre-authorised PC (for context, this was after Apple had done the "It's all in the cloud; just stream it" push for movies etc.).

I ended up getting around it by firing up a bunch of virtual machines (one per Apple ID), downloading everything I end, striping off the DRM, and then never using iTunes again for anything other than music (and even then I favour CDs first and other download sources second).

I'd certainly been a long time coming (2010ish iTunes handled my large-ish media library fine, and the UI was fine. By 2014ish, every release was feeling slower and slower, and the UI felt more and more like the iOS interfaced backported to PC), but that was the final straw. Currently moving over to foobar2000 for music (technically I could just point it at my music folders and be done, but I'm taking the opportunity to make sure everything is tagged properly).

[1] Which of course I keep on my NAS, but a) I'm not always on my local network and b) I'm not always 100% diligence about making sure a copy ends up there.

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