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My Biggest Regret as a Programmer

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Re: My Biggest Regret as a Programmer

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> I just have to say this: So typically american. The attitude presented in the article is indeed typically American -- but not for the reason I think you intended. The quintessential American quality is the belief that every person has the right to control their own destiny. Fuck, it's right there in the first sentence of the first document declaring this country's independence. Americans are often seen as greedy re…

> Therefore, money is seen primarily as a means to self-determination. And even deeper down, it's a means of survival. The safety net here has pretty much disintegrated since it began to be dismantled in the '80s. A lot of people in the US haven't saved enough for retirement considering this new reality... they haven't even saved enough to get them through a few months of unemployment. There's a loss of hope in rural…

Jefferson anticipated this, and thought the only way for rural life to work out was for this to be a nation of small freeholders.

People just don't have enough to do otherwise.

Re: My Biggest Regret as a Programmer

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Two things:

Not everyone can be a manager, or move up the management chain; even if you're good, there's not that much room, and you might not be able to cut it. Not saying don't try, but there are more programmer jobs than management jobs.

> being a programmer means you have to be happy with the opportunity to build cool things.

I can live with that.

Re: My Biggest Regret as a Programmer

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He would have been unhappy with the other choice as well, because then it is the programming side he would be missing out on. I would advise everyone to read The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost. http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173536 You chose one option out of many, and the others may no longer be a possibility. However, the writer's unhappiness does not spawn from his inability to be successful at what he does,…

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I'm still coding after almost 20 years in the job, and have no intention of stopping. I tried some other options - teacher, artist, entrepreneur. None of them give me the thrill that I get from programming. I still get locked into a flow where time shifts, and before I know it hours have passed. The only other activity that does that is Civ, and no-one is going to pay me to play that ;) If 10x assets is what drives y…

I think people who are picking up on the 10x assets thing are missing the point... Money can help you feel better about things when things in general aren't going well. What he says about missed opportunities, and working for idiotic management, that's the big thing here. You work your ass off, the management does dumb things, so the thing you're working on never really pays off, in money or fun. The fact that his si…

The work itself has to be worth it, or it's not worth it. External motivation has a low multiplier.

Re: My Biggest Regret as a Programmer

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> I just have to say this: So typically american. The attitude presented in the article is indeed typically American -- but not for the reason I think you intended. The quintessential American quality is the belief that every person has the right to control their own destiny. Fuck, it's right there in the first sentence of the first document declaring this country's independence. Americans are often seen as greedy re…

"The quintessential American quality is the belief that every person has the right to control their own destiny." So you don't think you have this right? I believe you have the right of opportunity, but not of outcome. I learned what this guy learned pretty early on: If you are an employee (developer or not), you will be paid to do things you are against and people less intelligent and experienced than you will be ma…

> I believe you have the right of opportunity, but not of outcome.

I may be assuming too much, but in most don't really believe this.

For example, I'd wager you firmly believe you have the right to a safe and secure society such that you are relatively confident you will no be randomly murdered in your sleep with no consequences for the murderer.

This is exactly a right to the outcome of a minimum level of security in your person and property.

If you do hold this belief then you believe in right of outcome in society. Though you may not agree with others what outcomes we should be guaranteed.

Re: My Biggest Regret as a Programmer

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IMHO, the OP is missing a big, huge point: He is really in the best position. So, here is what he should do: Step 1: Create a small business. For this, he should pick a product or service that can be that of a significant business, e.g., the one he would like to manage as as technical CEO and where initially he can develop the product or service mostly just by programming on his own. Then from that product or service…

Step 3: Profit?

(Seriously, it is easier said than done. Do you know how many small businesses failed?)

Re: My Biggest Regret as a Programmer

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If someone has been developing for 30+ years, learning to best describe their track record, position their skill set, and demand a premium for the time isn't hype. It's merely capitalizing on their legacy. There is an issue with calling yourself a "programmer" when one of his main complaints is the lack of monetary return on his career. Don't choose a commodity title if you want a higher than average return on your t…

I never said "demanding a premium for their time" was hype. I said having to call yourself a "Software Engineer" or "Architect" instead of a programmer was hype, and I still think it is. I'd personally rather have someone show me the real work they've done to convince me that they knew what they were doing, rather than giving themselves a meaningless title to convince me how good they are. There are plenty of "Softwa…

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Re: My Biggest Regret as a Programmer

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I never said "demanding a premium for their time" was hype. I said having to call yourself a "Software Engineer" or "Architect" instead of a programmer was hype, and I still think it is. I'd personally rather have someone show me the real work they've done to convince me that they knew what they were doing, rather than giving themselves a meaningless title to convince me how good they are. There are plenty of "Softwa…

We're actually on the same page. Proof of performance is a definite must while interviewing. The title does the initial framing of expectations, that's it. There's always going to be idiot consultants. And anyone who doesn't properly vet any candidate is likely to get their expectations crushed. I'm talking more about the title and language that frames the career. There's a big difference between "I'm a programmer wi…

I think we are mostly on the same page.

My point is that the title should not frame the expectations at all, because so many people plaster "Software Engineer" or "Software Architect" on their resumes that the terms have become mostly meaningless (assuming that they ever had any real meaning in the first place), and in many cases are an indication that the person thinks more highly of themselves than they should.

I also think that describing the term "programmer" as a "commodity title" gives it an unnecessarily negative connotation. Despite what marketing people think, it is a perfectly valid description of what many of us do, and does not at all necessitate thinking of a person's skills as "run-of-the-mill".

Re: My Biggest Regret as a Programmer

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He would have been unhappy with the other choice as well, because then it is the programming side he would be missing out on. I would advise everyone to read The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost. http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173536 You chose one option out of many, and the others may no longer be a possibility. However, the writer's unhappiness does not spawn from his inability to be successful at what he does,…

> I just have to say this: So typically american.

This remark would be considered highly offensive and racist if it were uttered about most nationalities.

Would you say that to appraise the sentiments of, for example, a Jew? Of course not. Everyone would rightly condemn you for it.

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