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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mcintyre1994 » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:18 PM UTC

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

I'm pretty sure it's a Safari problem (El capitan update I suppose) but I was actually getting massive lag earlier on that iPad Pro page. Upvoted you though be have you're right and your analysis is spot on.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by 20tibbygt06 » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:18 PM UTC

MatthiasP wrote: post #276

That's what the OEMs get for not being able to put out a laptop that could compete with Apple in all those years, they always managed to introduce some fatal flaw in their premium laptops, from weird keyboard layouts to bad fan management software. Let's hope the Surface Book will be succesful and Apple finally gets serious competition in the premium laptop market.

Take a look at "Building Microsoft Surface Pro 3." [1] Microsoft definitely has set the bar for this type of device. I personally have been waiting for such a device that all the other offerings were just not up to par as each seemed to have some quirk or problem. Bad hinge design, drivers not working, performance was subpar, battery life was lacking.

Other manufactures will have to take notice.

[1] https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Ignite/2015/BRK3302

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by niels_olson » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:18 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #375

MatthiasP wrote: post #276

That's what the OEMs get for not being able to put out a laptop that could compete with Apple in all those years, they always managed to introduce some fatal flaw in their premium laptops, from weird keyboard layouts to bad fan management software. Let's hope the Surface Book will be succesful and Apple finally gets serious competition in the premium laptop market.

I love my MBPr and I couldn't agree more. It will be nice to have some real competition/viable alternative. It will be interesting to see if Apple will release a touch MBPr or just stick to their iPad Pro + keyboard.

My mobile kit is MBPr with iPad for 4G, a leuchtturm notebook and some pens and pencils. I will get an ipad pro when the day comes that Apple decides to stop supporting my ipad and it becomes painful. At least there's a real shell in there somewhere. Having just experienced the pain of buying a new windows server for my lab (I'm sorry, I need a license to access the server?!), I still have no love for MSFT.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mikestew » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:18 PM UTC

sz4kerto wrote: post #115

Joeri wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably apple's next move is not to add touch to os x but to release an iOS laptop to replace the MacBook air, they could call it an iBook. It's pretty clear OS X is legacy tech and on the roadmap for being phased out.

The big step for that would be XCode for iOS. Currently, iOS is one of the few platforms where the platform does not let you develop for itself.

I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode. But I can't justify $1200 or more if I doesn't help me to get my work done. At that price, and admittedly for my purposes, the iPad Pro is just a very large and very expensive gadget.

The really annoying thing is that these days a late-model iPad probably has most of the horsepower needed to pull it off.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by on_and_off » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:18 PM UTC

cdnsteve wrote: post #140

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

As an Android developer, I don't think I could seriously use Windows. Anecdotally, out of my 10 colleagues working on our app, 8 use OsX, one Windows and one Debian.

- Drivers are a pain in the ass for Android devices on Windows. You always need to install one when you first connect a device.

- The linux like commands are awesome on OsX and not something I can give up easily.

- Some very important tools are OsX only : ColorSnapper2, Sketch, Zeplin (it does have a webapp though)

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by nilkn » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:19 PM UTC

Rantenki wrote: post #377

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Agreed. Adblock totally breaks the rendering as well.

Wow, so that's what's causing that. Even when I disable Adblock, while the page is loading for 20+ seconds on this high-end iMac the formatting is completely botched (in Chrome).

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by liquidise » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:19 PM UTC

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Page on a full sized browser on a 13" screen with ublock:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmyi3jjwq25w0d1/surface_book.png?d...

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by jorts » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:19 PM UTC

mythz wrote: post #106

slg wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I thought he just did one of the best product launch presentations of the last few years. He gave it more personality, passion, and authenticity than you normally see in these type of things. To each their own I guess.

Authenticity? The guy comes off as a sleazy frustrated 2nd hand car salesman who doesn't even believe the crap he's shoveling. It's not even a matter of taste, telling people they should be excited and their too stupid for not having realized the Surface is the best thing ever made, is plain obnoxious. The guy demoing Continuum was much more likable, MS needs more him and less panos.

I've had the pleasure of meeting Panos as a groomsman in my friend's wedding. He's a genuinely charismatic, fun and pleasurable person.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by subspaceman » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:20 PM UTC

acaloiar wrote: post #383

This looks like a great step in the right direction for Microsoft, but their marketing copy, "Use it like a clipboard" is profoundly jarring. Why is Microsoft afraid to use the word "tablet"? Clipboard is hardly a synonym.

I don't think they're avoiding calling it a tablet, but highlighting the fact that it can be used like a clipboard - as in papers clipped to a board with the pen stuck on top.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by r-w » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:20 PM UTC

cdnsteve wrote: post #140

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

Try Cygwin! It’s a *nix environment for Windows. I plan to install it once I get my hands on this beauty. Package management still works for CLIs, I suppose.