Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Post by smsm42 » Fri, Jun 12, 2015, 11:24 PM UTC

Hytosys wrote: post #380

smsm42 wrote: post #373

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Quite the contrary - people who want government to ban speech because they feel bad hearing it are on the wrong side. "Hate speech" is just another way of saying "I don't like this speech", nothing more. Which is fine - nobody should be forced to listen to something one doesn't like. But when this term is abused to justify violence and coercion - governmental and private - as is frequently the case - then it's the wr…

I respectfully deny your simplified definition of "hate speech" and reassert that history has decided that hate speech is to be prevented (unless we regress completely to a pre-civil rights society). Your supposed "justification of violence and coercion" seems misinformed, and I'd like to hear more about these instances of injustice.

"history has decided" - what is this? Who is "history"? In US, for example, there is First Amendment, which guarantees every US person the basic right for free speech. Of course, not all countries are as eager to protect the rights of their citizens as United States are, and over the course of history there were many governments that infringed on those rights. However, declaring that these infringements somehow come from "history" and not from a bunch of misguided individuals that have no regard to their compatriot's rights I can only attribute to supreme arrogance or unwillingness to take responsibility for their own crimes.

The willingness of the government to infringe on rights of the free speech by definition can not be any part of "civil rights society" - quite the contrary, it is the opposite of it, as one of the most basic rights - right to speak freely - is being violated.

Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Post by ank_the_elder » Sun, Jun 14, 2015, 5:03 AM UTC

mintplant wrote: post #167

Goronmon wrote: post #112

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Reddit's userbase seems to feel especially threatened by Ellen Pao, and it's hard for me to believe that the difference is anything rational. Well, she has basically said that she wants to start cleaning up the "objectionable" sides of reddit. Plus, there is a strong sentiment that content that's critical of her (even the less hateful stuff) has been removed often in the past.

I've seen plenty of these claims but far less in the way of actual removed content. My sense is that this is largely a myth used to stir up outrage.

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Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jun 14, 2015, 9:47 PM UTC

mahranch wrote: post #315

jfuhrman wrote: post #155

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Please stop spreading this nonsense. I expected better from HN. >constantly banning and deleting anything disagreeing with her viewpoint about her law suit. There are multiple posts on multiple reddits, each with thousands of points and comments that were not deleted. Some posts were deleted by sub moderators(not the same as Reddit staff or Pao) on some subs because they were offtopic and were being vote brigaded and…

> Please stop spreading this nonsense. I expected better from HN. She may not have been removing anything, nor any of the other admins, but lnanek2 does bring up a strong point, albeit indirectly: She is hated by a majority of users on reddit. And she's hated because of her bogus lawsuit she now appears to be dragging out, and how her husband is in serious debt due to running a ponzi scheme. Her and her husband are n…

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Re: Reddit Bans Five Communities In New Anti-Harassment Campaign

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Post by arfliw » Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 5:31 AM UTC

LunaSea wrote: post #312

arfliw wrote: post #286

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Finally somebody else except me saying this. I've probably gotten -1000 comment karma saying that over the last couple months. It's complete fiction that she is censoring anything. Every time it is sub moderators removing stuff that violates the rules of their sub. And there are massively upvoted threads bashing her everywhere with huge comment threads full of vicious attacks on her and nobody is deleting those. If s…

Of course it's not fiction. Tons of people got shadowbanned and shadowbanning can only be done by the admins. So stop spreading misinformation please.

Right, that's what the conspiracy theorists always say on reddit, too. Ignoring my argument completely and bringing up shadowbanning.

Let's see your proof that people are getting showdowbanned for criticizing Pao. You have no proof. Because shadowbans are about as transparent as mud.

So stop spreading conspiracy theories as fact, please.