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Hands-On with Microsoft's New Holographic Goggles

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Re: Hands-On with Microsoft's New Holographic Goggles

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Post by aetherson »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #338
chrissyb wrote: post #312

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Yeah this could make putting Ikea furniture together alot easier.

Like that's every going to happen. Online training though - a whole other thing. Imagine math and physics with interactive 3D visualisations. Or for kids, a virtual version of one of those 30-in-1 electronics teaching kits. And so on. If this works it could be a game changer, and it could also create a whole new app industry. I just hope the technology is non-crappy, and it doesn't get managementised into uselessness…

None of those things require the augmented reality aspect of this: you don't need to place math and physics lessons into your local environment. They'd do just as well with VR, and indeed it doesn't sound to me like they'd do MUCH worse with just a plain old screen. What is it that you're imagining we couldn't do with a tablet that has swipe gestures to rotate the demo around all axes?

An electronics teaching kit might not work on a tablet (but would in VR), and note that any kind of really fluid manipulation of a virtual environment is going to involve a whole additional technology that gives precise locations of your hands (at least). The HoloLens allows a few simple gestures, not the ability to handle virtual objects in many degrees of freedom.

Re: Hands-On with Microsoft's New Holographic Goggles

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Post by FeeTinesAMady »

Amezarak wrote: post #340
aetherson wrote: post #237

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Yeah, I'm just not sure that I buy the idea that there's a big market for an expert coaching you through doing repairs via AR goggles. How exactly does this work? You still need to pay for an expert's time -- in fact, you probably need to pay more for it, because the expert is probably faster to do a thing than to explain the thing to you and then you do it. Also, the expert now needs to be someone with these additio…

I agree this is highly unlikely to be a common use case. I might use it, because I try to do most things myself, and I could often use some expert advice. And I know the people who would help me, but it'd be inconvenient to have them come all the way out here. But overall, this is a one-in-a-thousand use case. But: > Tools are still needed -- is there actually a big market for the kind of repairs you can do with the…

Have you ever worked on a car? Tons of specialized tools can be needed for some tasks. Do you have a set of triple square bits? General purpose puller? Bearing extraction tool? How about half inch drive Tor-X sockets? 200 ft lb torque wrench? When you work on a car for fun, you find that your collection of tools balloons just for all the things on the car that require one specific tool. If you think you can do everything on the car with just a simple socket set, you'll wind up stuck and having to buy a new tool for every task.

Re: Hands-On with Microsoft's New Holographic Goggles

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Post by kevincrane »

ha292 wrote: post #377

Once again, Microsoft is slow to produce a product. In this case, the product is a "moonshot" at changing the UI. No wait, the product is a PR event that just says. "We can innovate too, you know" If this fails, they will be late again in canceling a VR/Augmented reality product that should not have made it past beta. See Glass, Google.

Haha alright Captain Buzzkill, let's give it more than one day before we start burying this one.

Re: Hands-On with Microsoft's New Holographic Goggles

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Post by Amezarak »

FeeTinesAMady wrote: post #382
Amezarak wrote: post #340

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I agree this is highly unlikely to be a common use case. I might use it, because I try to do most things myself, and I could often use some expert advice. And I know the people who would help me, but it'd be inconvenient to have them come all the way out here. But overall, this is a one-in-a-thousand use case. But: > Tools are still needed -- is there actually a big market for the kind of repairs you can do with the…

Have you ever worked on a car? Tons of specialized tools can be needed for some tasks. Do you have a set of triple square bits? General purpose puller? Bearing extraction tool? How about half inch drive Tor-X sockets? 200 ft lb torque wrench? When you work on a car for fun, you find that your collection of tools balloons just for all the things on the car that require one specific tool. If you think you can do everyt…

Yes, although granted when I said "almost all repairs" I did not have in mind major automotive work, but more along the lines of general maintenance and little things going wrong. Of course if you're doing something like rebuilding the transmission you'll need more tools than the average bear.

Re: Hands-On with Microsoft's New Holographic Goggles

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Post by ghkbrew »

mod wrote: post #378
viewer5 wrote: post #369

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In the US, a "mobile phone" is a cordless phone with a base.

As an American, I don't agree. All the companies are branding as "mobile." I don't think they really even sell household corded phones anymore, we don't have to be specific about them. If I wanted a corded phone, I think I'd have to use that specific modifier to get one. Anyway, back to the point--say "mobile phone" to Americans and they know it's a cellular phone.

Seconded. "cellphone" and "mobile phone" are basically interchangeable to me. Though, honestly I'm more likely to just refer to it as a "phone" and use a qualifier to refer to the non-mobile variety (e.g. "house phone" or "land-line")

Re: Hands-On with Microsoft's New Holographic Goggles

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Post by FeeTinesAMady »

Amezarak wrote: post #384
FeeTinesAMady wrote: post #382

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Have you ever worked on a car? Tons of specialized tools can be needed for some tasks. Do you have a set of triple square bits? General purpose puller? Bearing extraction tool? How about half inch drive Tor-X sockets? 200 ft lb torque wrench? When you work on a car for fun, you find that your collection of tools balloons just for all the things on the car that require one specific tool. If you think you can do everyt…

Yes, although granted when I said "almost all repairs" I did not have in mind major automotive work, but more along the lines of general maintenance and little things going wrong. Of course if you're doing something like rebuilding the transmission you'll need more tools than the average bear.

Fair enough, but my point was that for things where you'd benefit from a mechanic walking you through a task, you'll probably need some specialty tools to do the job.

Also, apologies for my brusqueness.

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Post by danmaz74 »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #325
danmaz74 wrote: post #321

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Browsing the web - yes But vacuum cleaners and and cell phones contain the name the explanation of what they are and do. "augmented reality" doesn't. Holographic... it does a better job, at least for some people.

How does "cell phone" explain anything useful about that particular type of phone? Using the word "cell" for a specific geographic area covered by a particular radio tower is itself a rather vague and general analogy. You could use "cell" for any element of a larger structure or organism I guess, but it wouldn't explain anything specific. "Mobile phone" could have made sense to someone even before the introduction of…

I wasn't referring to "cell", I was referring to "phone". Just like with "vacuum" and "cleaner". You don't need to be an engineer to understand that the first one is used to make phone calls, and the second one to clean.

Augmented reality, on the other hand...

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

8note wrote: post #301
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #194

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Well, from that perspective, an analog temperature sensor is flooding your ADC with infinite GB/s. For further comparison: the fastest CPUs you can get nowadays have an aggregated memory bandwidth of ~ 90 GB/s using four lanes.

if you have enough pins, a custom asic can do just about whatever you want. the data flowing into the HPU is likely huge, but it is processed down into something the CPU can deal with.

Yeah, well, 4x DDR4 DIMMs have 4x288 = 1152 pins. If you want to be two orders of magnitude faster than that, you're talking on the order of 100 000 pins, which is just absurd.

Re: Hands-On with Microsoft's New Holographic Goggles

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Post by aluhut »

jason46 wrote: post #348
aluhut wrote: post #294

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It will work. Until somebody comes up with an actual holographic device. I hope the name rights won't be gone by then...

MS just has to purchase that company and say they just made the next generation, problem solved.

You're probably right.

So sad...

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