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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by cjo »

Ologn wrote: post #306
joshuak wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not theoretical that bitcoin holds value, that is a fact. That it shouldn't, or won't at some point in the future is the theory. Reality does not yield to arguments of the contrary.

Bitcoin has no value. It has a price, but not a value. Dutch tulip bulbs, 2008 Sacramento real estate devlopments, Pets.com stock all had prices at some point, but their value was always less than its price.

Out of curiosity, which theory of value are you using here? There are many and in the most commonly used value =/= utility.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by vitriol83 »

arsenische wrote: post #362

First, I want to apologize. We have received a lot of negative feedback suddenly and I can assure you that we take it seriously. I temporary disabled ALL the email notifications (even though I don't think they were a real problem) and added a warning that we are not affiliated with project owners. When my teammate is online he will probably also some of the other issues. I see a lot of misinformation about tip4commit…

The objection is you're committing fraud. You're soliciting 'donations' for a third party (everyone committing to a project) without their consent. Unbeknownst to the donaters you're then keeping these 'donations' because the third-party has no interest in taking them. This is pretty shaky ground to be on, and it only takes one person to decide to take legal action against you.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by pbreit »

arsenische wrote: post #362

First, I want to apologize. We have received a lot of negative feedback suddenly and I can assure you that we take it seriously. I temporary disabled ALL the email notifications (even though I don't think they were a real problem) and added a warning that we are not affiliated with project owners. When my teammate is online he will probably also some of the other issues. I see a lot of misinformation about tip4commit…

You could have avoided the entire controversy by taking the entirely reasonable step of honoring the initial request to be opted out.

I think sticking with opt-out is ok since it will be the difference in having a million projects or 3 projects. But, it means you have to be more considerate of the project owners requests. Thinking that the emails "weren't that bad" is more evidence that you aren't listening very well.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by pbreit »

sjs382 wrote: post #364
arsenische wrote: post #362

First, I want to apologize. We have received a lot of negative feedback suddenly and I can assure you that we take it seriously. I temporary disabled ALL the email notifications (even though I don't think they were a real problem) and added a warning that we are not affiliated with project owners. When my teammate is online he will probably also some of the other issues. I see a lot of misinformation about tip4commit…

>> Btw, if you think this project shouldn't exist - welcome to https://github.com/tip4commit/tip4commit/issues/157 - that could be the easiest solution for all of us. The project should be opt-in or shouldn't exist at all.

Opt-in would kill the project. But I think they could do opt-out if they were a LOT more sensitive to their constituents.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by pbreit »

vitriol83 wrote: post #382
arsenische wrote: post #362

First, I want to apologize. We have received a lot of negative feedback suddenly and I can assure you that we take it seriously. I temporary disabled ALL the email notifications (even though I don't think they were a real problem) and added a warning that we are not affiliated with project owners. When my teammate is online he will probably also some of the other issues. I see a lot of misinformation about tip4commit…

The objection is you're committing fraud. You're soliciting 'donations' for a third party (everyone committing to a project) without their consent. Unbeknownst to the donaters you're then keeping these 'donations' because the third-party has no interest in taking them. This is pretty shaky ground to be on, and it only takes one person to decide to take legal action against you.

They should simply state and then execute that refused donations will be sent to other projects or returned. I don't think this is that big of a problem.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by maaku »

arsenische wrote: post #362

First, I want to apologize. We have received a lot of negative feedback suddenly and I can assure you that we take it seriously. I temporary disabled ALL the email notifications (even though I don't think they were a real problem) and added a warning that we are not affiliated with project owners. When my teammate is online he will probably also some of the other issues. I see a lot of misinformation about tip4commit…

Please don't take this the wrong way, but tip4commit is a poisonous project that does more harm than good. You should shut the whole thing down.

Providing monetary incentives gamifies the development process, which is not a good thing. It has been shown that providing monetary incentives below a threshold decreases both the quality and quantity of contributions. For more information about this I suggest reading Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us by Daniel Pink.

Tip4commit was started for the bitcoin project. I'm a bitcoin developer. We don't like tip4commit. What results in practice is that we end up with ill-formed, poorly thought out, excessively large, trivial, time wasting pull requests to review, which takes time away from beneficial development.

Your service is not helping open source software. It is hurting it. You are paying people to provide distractions which slow down development. Please stop.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by sjs382 »

pbreit wrote: post #384
sjs382 wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Btw, if you think this project shouldn't exist - welcome to https://github.com/tip4commit/tip4commit/issues/157 - that could be the easiest solution for all of us. The project should be opt-in or shouldn't exist at all.

Opt-in would kill the project. But I think they could do opt-out if they were a LOT more sensitive to their constituents.

Why would being opt-in kill the project?

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by ketralnis »

pbreit wrote: post #384
sjs382 wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Btw, if you think this project shouldn't exist - welcome to https://github.com/tip4commit/tip4commit/issues/157 - that could be the easiest solution for all of us. The project should be opt-in or shouldn't exist at all.

Opt-in would kill the project. But I think they could do opt-out if they were a LOT more sensitive to their constituents.

If opt-in would kill your project, it's probably a bad project. Much in the same way that if your business can't survive without exploiting people, it's a bad business.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by pbreit »

jchrisa wrote: post #286
art2 wrote: post #194

What is staggering is that one would assume that this service was created with the aim of helping open source developers, but when the developers ask personally to make a reasonable change to how the site is functioning, the owners decline. So the reason the site exists is something different. I don't think it's fraud. It's probably the weird culture of the (younger) part of the Bitcoin community, for whom the Bitcoi…

The non-sketchy version of this would only accept tips for repos that had a bitcoin address committed to a well-known location in their repo. And it would send the tips directly to that address. No possibility of scamming, and opt-in by its nature. Is there already something like this?

Except everyone knows that asking for forgiveness beats asking for permission every time.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

jusssi wrote: post #281
serf wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's horrible that the DMCA has turned into a generic weapon in legal online warfare. agreed, and it sucks that the DMCAs most vocal 'anti-group' (techies) is resorting to such threats so quickly.

Bad legislation only sucks when you're at the wrong end of it. Also, pushing misuse of bad legislation "to the max" might be the fastest way to get it fixed.

Bad legislation only sucks when you're at the wrong end of it.

That really sums up the problem with all governments quite nicely.

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