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Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by tga »

indubitably wrote: post #346
iguana wrote: post #315

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In the bay area, Flex devs make > $100/hour, pretty much implying a 6 figure annual rate. Maybe the 5 figures are from another area or country. As a former Flex developer, I must admit that Flex was the best thing that ever happened to web development, but unfortunately the Flash team wasn't strong enough to bring the runtime to mobile with enough quality. Building a RIA in Flex was so incredibly easy, and debugging…

You guys are so far out of touch with the reality of most people.

Nothing of the sort, all in all, Flex is indeed a great platform. The sad reality is that it only runs on a crappy, obsoleted runtime (Flash) so it is not useful for most web development, but otherwise everything he says is true.

For a web app (RIA) I would pick Flex or Silverlight any day over the whole HTML mess if they would only run properly in all browsers, desktop and mobile.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by digitalengineer »

laureny wrote: post #318
alanh wrote: post #260

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“Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. And, I guess, most of the marketers, too.

> “Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. I'm guessing most (all?) the developers you know work in the US? Mac OS is close to nonexistent in that area in the rest of the world. Trying to sell an app competing against a free product from Google is already challenging enough, you should seriously consider the original advice and extend your tool to work on Windows as well.

Dutchman here. Most designers use MacOsX here. Developers go with Windows. Design-savy or iOS developers use both.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by digitalengineer »

tumultco wrote: post #131
cbhl wrote: post #25

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I think that makes sense -- a lot of Google's (paying) clients have been using Adobe (formerly Macromedia) Flash to make ads for years; if Google wants them to adopt HTML5 technology they need to make tools that are as easy to use as Flash was.

That's the purpose of my startup :); we've been making an HTML5 animation tool for OS X for the last two years: http://tumult.com/hype/

Your App is also mentioned a lot in the world of InDesign users looking to create interactive e-books. The HTML5 import of InDesign works well Hype. Hype was mentioned just last week at the Adobe User Event I helped set up. These people are designers, not programmers and your App can really help them. #eyeopener

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by lmacsen »

laureny wrote: post #318
alanh wrote: post #260

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“Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. And, I guess, most of the marketers, too.

> “Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. I'm guessing most (all?) the developers you know work in the US? Mac OS is close to nonexistent in that area in the rest of the world. Trying to sell an app competing against a free product from Google is already challenging enough, you should seriously consider the original advice and extend your tool to work on Windows as well.

I am from an eastern Europe country and most of developers and designers use Mac OS.

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Post by bromagosa »

V-2 wrote: post #376
bromagosa wrote: post #283

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Yep, and I hate it when they use "PC" as a synonym for Microsoft Windows. I do have a PC!

It's Apple that made PC synonymous with Windows machines (with all their "Mac vs PC" ads). Yes technically speaking it's incorrect, but that's human language for you, it just happens. Sometimes the other way round, eg. walkman was once Sony's tradename, but eventually all portable cassette players were called so.

Not really, it actually comes from long before that.

I remember being a very little kid and buying shareware games with their "PC-Compatible" labels. At the time, that sticker actually meant "DOS Compatible", and being I just about 10 years old, I believed PCs and DOS were the only possible match, the same way my first MSX ran MSX-Basic and my cousin's Amstrad CPC ran CP/M. I didn't know it was even possible for machines to run different OSes. For that matter, I didn't even know what an OS was. I just knew different machines worked differently, the same way different TV sets worked differently.

So it's not just a matter of human language, it's a matter of intentionally confusing terms in favour of the market. Everybody knew there were other "walkmans" around. Not everybody knows there are other OSes.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by rtdp »

laureny wrote: post #318
alanh wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. And, I guess, most of the marketers, too.

> “Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. I'm guessing most (all?) the developers you know work in the US? Mac OS is close to nonexistent in that area in the rest of the world. Trying to sell an app competing against a free product from Google is already challenging enough, you should seriously consider the original advice and extend your tool to work on Windows as well.

I do agree here. I do develop in India, and rarely i meet people with Mac. Most devs use linux and most html and UI guys go with windows.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by V-2 »

bromagosa wrote: post #386
V-2 wrote: post #376

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It's Apple that made PC synonymous with Windows machines (with all their "Mac vs PC" ads). Yes technically speaking it's incorrect, but that's human language for you, it just happens. Sometimes the other way round, eg. walkman was once Sony's tradename, but eventually all portable cassette players were called so.

Not really, it actually comes from long before that. I remember being a very little kid and buying shareware games with their "PC-Compatible" labels. At the time, that sticker actually meant "DOS Compatible", and being I just about 10 years old, I believed PCs and DOS were the only possible match, the same way my first MSX ran MSX-Basic and my cousin's Amstrad CPC ran CP/M. I didn't know it was even possible for mach…

Clearly Apple subscribes to this terminology, and I don't think it has much of an interest in putting forward the impression that Windows is the only option on PCs and concealing the existence of Linux.

Re: Google Web Designer

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Post by welly »

laureny wrote: post #318
alanh wrote: post #260

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“Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. And, I guess, most of the marketers, too.

> “Drastically?” The vast majority of the web developers I know use OS X. I'm guessing most (all?) the developers you know work in the US? Mac OS is close to nonexistent in that area in the rest of the world. Trying to sell an app competing against a free product from Google is already challenging enough, you should seriously consider the original advice and extend your tool to work on Windows as well.

Really? My last web developer position in Australia was in an office full of Macs. My web developer position previous to that was in New Zealand was in an office full of Macs. My current position here in the UK is in an office full of Macs. Every web development house I've ever worked for, contracted with or freelanced with has been in an office full of Macs.
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