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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by aabhay »

The relevant paragraph about Meta’s commitment to open source is here, and the statement is significantly less confident than news is reporting

> • Open source is a positive and important force for empowering people and preventing centralization that is detrimental for both safety and the economy. Meta continues to be strongly supportive of open source, including open source AI models. The current open source ecosystem is strong, and we think it would be a mistake to restrict it. Now that Meta Superintelligence Labs are up and running, we will resume releasing some open source models soon.

“We will resume releasing some open source models soon”??? That’s basically the most ambiguous non commitment ever. Even before legal team watering it down I can’t imagine what the intent is here. We are also going to release open models for things maybe or maybe not kinda? Absolutely zero conviction. And moreover, this explicitly frames the open source ecosystem as something Meta is not a part of.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by jefftk »

aabhay wrote: post #381

The relevant paragraph about Meta’s commitment to open source is here, and the statement is significantly less confident than news is reporting > • Open source is a positive and important force for empowering people and preventing centralization that is detrimental for both safety and the economy. Meta continues to be strongly supportive of open source, including open source AI models. The current open source ecosyst…

> “We will resume releasing some open source models soon”??? That’s basically the most ambiguous non commitment ever.

I mean, they released another one today: https://research.meta.ai/blog/introducing-muse-glimmer-open-...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by gfody »

echelon wrote: post #241
bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

> albeit intentionally The model was "accidentally" released. Meta was giving it to approved researchers only until someone leaked a torrent. Whether that was a researcher, an insider, or Meta's plan all along, we don't know. Meta has withheld its best models, as have a lot of other "open weights" Chinese companies. When an "open weights" company gets ahead in one domain or modality, they tend to start withholding th…

personally I'd love to see open base models, and let companies differentiate with premium access to post training and alignment - that's where the real fight is anyways. they really ought to be pooling their resources/data and getting more economical with the pre-train anyways.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by Forgeties79 »

timmmmmmay wrote: post #355
Forgeties79 wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand how you can look at what’s happening right now and call people simply calling for caution “hysterical”

I don't think you can characterize the discussion around then as simple calling for caution. There was a serious attempt to keep all access to even very basic LLM techniques locked into essentially an exclusive guild.

If you grab the most extreme examples you can argue anything. The general feeling was “exercise caution” and “we need to think about this.”

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by asveikau »

ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

If you've seen Zuckerberg for long enough you'll see he doesn't hold any position for all that long. Remember they renamed the entire company for a product idea he basically abandoned. So if he does "the right thing" you can just wait, he'll give up on it pretty soon.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by [deleted] »

timmmmmmay wrote: post #355
Forgeties79 wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand how you can look at what’s happening right now and call people simply calling for caution “hysterical”

I don't think you can characterize the discussion around then as simple calling for caution. There was a serious attempt to keep all access to even very basic LLM techniques locked into essentially an exclusive guild.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by segmondy »

bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

It was leaked which put it in the open, it got widely popular and they rode the wave. I'm not so such if they would have widely released it if it wasn't leak. Nevertheless mucho credits to them for following up with llama2, llama3, llama4 and now muse.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by thepasch »

echelon wrote: post #241
bushido wrote: post #226

I think something that doesn't get said enough is Meta did, albeit intentionally kick off the origin of the open source race back in 2023 with the release of llama. I'm not a big fan of meta in general, but they've done enough good, and it's possible that it was intentional as well. I don't know, I wasn't in the rooms, and I think it's worth giving them some reasonable doubt. No one is purely good, and no one is pure…

> albeit intentionally The model was "accidentally" released. Meta was giving it to approved researchers only until someone leaked a torrent. Whether that was a researcher, an insider, or Meta's plan all along, we don't know. Meta has withheld its best models, as have a lot of other "open weights" Chinese companies. When an "open weights" company gets ahead in one domain or modality, they tend to start withholding th…

This seems provably untrue? GLM and Kimi have been at the top of the open weights conversation for a while, and K3 and GLM-5.2 were still released in full; K3 added a commercial clause to the license, but is otherwise still completely open for personal use. And K3 in particular isn't just at the open frontier anymore, but trading blows with the frontier frontier.
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