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Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Using a duress PIN or other duress feature is now considered destroying evidence so YMMV

Write your duress PIN on the back of the phone. I guarantee you the first cop that sees it will go, "LOLOL!!!! HIS PASSWORD IS RIGHT THERE!!! LOLOL" and immediately enter it.

I heard for this reason police are now trained not to try any code that you can't go to jail for if it turns out to be a duress code. That means anything you didn't tell them was the unlock code.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Friend of a friend retired several years ago from Intel. He'll go into detail about all the ways you're being spied on. He won't let you into his house with a smartphone; you have to turn it off and leave it in your car. I used to think he was just paranoid...

The fun part about this comment is that we don't know if "Intel" is the company, or the term for the IC. I'm pretty sure it's equally likely to be either meaning, and no surprise based on whichever is correct.

In this case, it's Intel the processor company

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Using the broader label to imply good things about the narrow thing sucks. Like being pro "technology" means nothing

What narrow thing? "AI" has been used to refer to ML models for longer than LLMs have existed. Your choice to see "AI" and assume some narrow definition is a personal issue that you could correct on your own if you chose.

Look you can be pedantic about the language all you want. I'm 100% for preferring saying LLM when you mean LLM.

We're in a thread about AI surveillence.

Note the "I imagine there are a number of similar situations in every country, where the deployment of AI surveillance has a sufficiently measurably positive impact that it becomes popular"

Someone said please don't refer to license plate scanners as AI. One can be obtuse and take that at face value, or one could read it as "please don't lump more deterministic ML together haphazardly by calling them all AI. "

This is what I mean by broad and narrow. You could have said technological surveillence and it had the same effect.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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post #282

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Since the courts decided you have to use your fingerprint to unlock your phone (because they decided that's not giving up your password and they can't compel you to give up your password), what if you use your fingerprint to wipe your phone? But you don't tell anyone ahead of time when they force you to use it. I'm sure you'd be arrested at the least. I can't be the only person who has thought of this.

This would still be destruction of evidence - virtually your only defense against that would be if it was not triggered by you .

Imagine dozing off in the interrogation room, and the not-so-sharp officer seizes the moment and decides to use your thumb to unlock the phone, with the camera recording.

"You dumbass! You use my thumb to trigger duress mode! Don't you know thumb is always wipe, and PIN is always unlock? Moron!"

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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we desperately need a separation of corporations and state the same way we have a separation of church and state . we need a government that is antagonistic towards corporations that are abusing us. it’s wild how much influence they have and how little pushback the government ever gives them when they clearly abuse us from every direction.

It has always been too cheap and easy for corporations to influence the government. The roi is tremendous. It is a problem that makes those hundred year old math proofs that AIs have solved small potatoes.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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With fingerprint unlock it's not your choice. That's what makes it clever. The cop can grab your finger and hold it to the scanner while you tell him not to do that.

Presumably you must disclose that "doing that" would wipe the device... and you better hope this is caught on some neutral party's camera so there is a record of you saying that.

False presumption. You are just making that up, right?

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Presumably you must disclose that "doing that" would wipe the device... and you better hope this is caught on some neutral party's camera so there is a record of you saying that.

False presumption. You are just making that up, right?

I am not a lawyer, I am just "making up" what exculpatory evidence I would prefer to have on my side when potentially confronted with a charge of destruction of evidence after pulling a stunt like this.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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post #291

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Since you seem to know about this, what are the actual rules about "destruction of evidence" in your jurisdiction? What does the accused need to have known for a crime to have been committed? (Common sense tells me that the accusation might make sense both in cases in which the accused knows about a crime and in cases in which the accused knows about a police investigation, even in the absence of a crime, but deletin…

Generally any material you intentionally delete after you are told to hand over evidence is considered to be the most incriminating version of that material in a court of law.

That rule wouldn't work very well if the person who destroyed the evidence isn't the person suspected of the crime and it is unclear whether the person who destroyed the evidence is a friend or an enemy of the suspect. So I think a sane legal system would want to punish the person who destroyed the evidence rather than jeopardise the fair trial of the suspect.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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post #231

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It might be worth revisiting the definition of the term "Banana Republic" and the history of the United Fruit Company[1]. Corporations have toppled democratic governments, run dodgy drug trials and given breast feeding mothers just enough free powdered milk to stop being able to feed their babies. We have large online retailers, Temu and Shein, accused of using forced labour aka slavery. Even a well known SaaS operat…

Additionally, overthrowing the lawfully elected government of Iran to save the oil interests of Anglo-Persian Oil Company (now BP) from being nationalized. This is the source of the US-Iran conflict. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

wow

did not know that!

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

#390

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What does it matter? The state certainly isn't going to throw up its hands and say "you got us". They're still going to try to make it out to be your fault and even if you do successfully argue it wasn't of your volition, they've still robbed you of years of your life and hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees.

Well that applies to anything you do that the state doesn't like, so may as well just give up and kill yourself? Or what's your plan?

My plan is to live a reasonable life and treat the state like I treat violent weather. If I happen to have the misfortune of drawing the attention of the state, then yes, your suggestion may be relevant.
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