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Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots

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Post by CamperBob2 »

icepush wrote: post #373
CamperBob2 wrote: post #182

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They can jerk themselves silly, IDGAF. When the 'Black Mirror' screenwriters get involved, though, I'll require some back-end participation of the financial kind. (I'm being facetious here: nothing that transmits data out of the house is going to be deployed to run household robots, at least not in my house. Even if I didn't care, I can't make that call on behalf of family members or guests. Then there's the obvious…

For the robot to function without teleoperation, sota is for it to be using a model that runs on chips about 5-10x the cost of what is being discussed here. How do you propose for that without transmission of data out of your house ?

I've pretty much made my peace with the idea of spending on GPUs what I used to spend on sports cars.

That being said, by the time the kinematic hardware needed to build a robotic housekeeper is available for home use, I don't think the brainpower is going to be a problem. There's nothing in Ex Machina that couldn't run on a couple of RTX 6000s.

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Post by fipar »

overlords wrote: post #358
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #294

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Fucking hell, hiring a robot to care after an elderly parent. Now that's some disturbing shit.

have you ever bathed or changed diaper on old people?

I did that with my grandmother after she had a stroke, and I would not have offload that to a robot, had one been available. It wasn't nice, but not everything in life has to be nice. What was important to me is that she felt loved and dignified. That's also why I combed her hair while waiting for the ambulance on the night of her stroke, even though she had peed herself on the floor. She always mentioned taking care of her hair should she ever have an emergency, so it was important for me to do this. Given how lousy having a stroke is, at least she got some comfort knowing I had been paying attention all the times she said that :)

I certainly don't judge you, but I wanted to offer my perspective.

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Post by dr_blueberry »

Doing some initial testing of Gemini ER 2 within the Orion 2 visual agent harness. I'll share a few initial results and chat threads here. I'm impressed with how fast Gemini ER2 is.

1. Crop the segment when adding rice to the rice cooker + analyze a frame: https://chat.vlm.run/c/40b5edfb-6d15-47e8-bedd-c77b1ed92496

2. Extract 16 keyframes in a 4x4 grid + detect the water bottle: https://chat.vlm.run/c/a8542517-0021-4013-9663-a9f41f286e4c

3. Extract the frame at 0:03 + segment the lettuce + generate a 3D reconstruction: https://chat.vlm.run/c/494c7c65-4aa1-442f-a78a-bfd1409c784d

(I work at VLM Run).

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Post by didibus »

si1entstill wrote: post #109
qurren wrote: post #40

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I'm bearish that they'll be economically viable in the house for a very long time. For businesses the bar for adoption is very low: If the thing can work repetitive jobs for 24 hours a day and replace 3 shifts, the purchase bar is nominally anything less than 3 x human salary if your budgeting horizon is 1 year. That's a high number, and probably fairly easy to achieve. For homes, it's a very different bar. You'd hav…

I'm not sure. I think house cleaning/chores require at least a "part-time" job's work of work for the average household (especially with children). We may be atypical, but my partner and I don't want to hire out a cleaning service and deal with the whole human component. But, I think we'd gladly pay 15k+ if it allowed us to take on the additional gainful workload. Even at a 20k price tag, I suspect we would likely ha…

> We may be atypical, but my partner and I don't want to hire out a cleaning service and deal with the whole human component

I kind of understand where the feeling comes from, but this also saddens me. What happened to our generation? We're scared of people.

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Post by dwohnitmok »

canyon289 wrote: post #211

I'm a researcher at Deepmind that contributed to these models. (And the opinions here are my own) Just want to say, Deepmind is a great place to work and the only (Edit: one the few unique labs!) lab where you can move from large frontier models (Gemini), frontier open models (Gemma), robotics (what you see here), science (weather, biology, more) and basically any other topic related to intelligence. It's really an i…

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Post by philipkglass »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #378
overlords wrote: post #358

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have you ever bathed or changed diaper on old people?

Yes, I helped my friend deal with her bedridden granny who was very painful at a slightest movement, we did it together as gentle as we could. Now I imagine a robot doing that with all its compassion and empathy (which, however close to zero, still seem to be greater than in many people at this point). Your parents bathed you and changed your diapers, why can't you? Or did they hire a robot for that? Getting shit don…

I have an uncle with Parkinson's disease. He has a daughter who's looking after him. But he is a tall man who weighs about 200 pounds and she is a petite woman. She literally doesn't have the strength to help him up again if he falls. She has to call emergency services.

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Post by codegeek »

vladgur wrote: post #247
codegeek wrote: post #190

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It is all about the ROI. A lawn cut from a professional can cost anywhere from $25-$100 on an average (per cut). So with a $1000 lawn mower, you will get the return back in 10-40 cuts at most. That is less than 1-2 seasons. Sure, there will be some maintenance cost over the years but if you look at a 5-10 year period, it is totally worth doing your own. Even with the $1000 price tag. Of course, you cannot count the l…

There is more to yard work than mowing the lawn unfortunately. Trimming. Fertilizing Etc etc If I can get a robot replace a gardener who I pay $170/mo for 2 visits per month, i probably would. But I suspect that would kill lawn

Agreed. That's one thing I realized I cannot do myself. I bought an expensive Mower Rider and tried it myself only realizing how much work it is for do trimming, blow, cleanup, weeding etc other than just mowing. Granted, I have a large property. I hired back a landscaper and focus my time on other things :)

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Post by margalabargala »

jameshart wrote: post #339
margalabargala wrote: post #100

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Why would building specialized robots require generalized robots? Seems to me you'd do better if you built the robots with robots that were specialized in building robots.

If it can make any robot then it’s not very specialized.

Making robots is a very narrow, highly specialized subset of things that robots can do.

Also, no one said it could male any robot until you tried to broaden the scope just now because you didn't want to admit you're wrong. This is an example of "bad faith" in a discussion.

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Post by scotty79 »

qurren wrote: post #284
ACCount37 wrote: post #264

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People in the US buy cars. Can a household robot provide as much utility as a car? If "yes", the market gets pretty big.

Not really. The car is a non-negotiable, like food, unless you live in Boston/NYC/SF or something. The robot is not.

People in Europe also buy cars, even though most of them doesn't really need to.
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