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Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by XorNot »

glitchdout wrote: post #289
stavros wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's much cheaper to create one general-purpose robot for everything than many different robots, each optimized to each task.

War in Ukraine does not validate that assessment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiGwWwcnT7M

War is the definition of "not cheap" because the stakes are so high (you die). Ukraine is building what it can with anything it can get and also in a constant race to adapt and develop superior designs.

You're not seeing "cheaper": you're seeing a literal arms race.

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by petterroea »

Am I the only one who feels Boston completely missed their chance and fell behind by being slow on selling robot dogs?

Chinese companies were quick to jump in and fill that unfulfilled demand. I work with robots and have never seen a Boston machine irl. Tonnes of Chinese though

Re: Hyundai buys Boston Dynamics

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Post by siva7 »

petterroea wrote: post #382

Am I the only one who feels Boston completely missed their chance and fell behind by being slow on selling robot dogs? Chinese companies were quick to jump in and fill that unfulfilled demand. I work with robots and have never seen a Boston machine irl. Tonnes of Chinese though

"demand"

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Post by nroets »

Iulioh wrote: post #111
TheGrassyKnoll wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Shazeer

Can we go on a small tangent and wonder how we don't know when the guy was born?

Wikipedia shuns primary sources, such as personal websites and company registration documents. They prefer reliable secondary sources such as mainstream news media.

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Post by bjackman »

Hugsbox wrote: post #31

I don't understand why they would implement humanoid robots instead of purpose-built robots. The human form is not the most optimal way to do most tasks, especially as it relates to manufacturing. Robots don't need to look like humans, they need to be useful . Seems like putting in an awful lot of extra unnecessary work to end up with a worse result.

For my personal use, I really fucking want a humanoid robot, coz my home and all the bullshit in it was built for humanoids, I want a robot to do the bullshit for me. I don't want to move into a new, robot-oriented home.

I've never been to a factory but I bet there's a lot of the same bullshit. Ditto in a mine.

On the other hand, I've been in a datacentre. I don't see much need for a humanoid form in there, everything is flat and predictable. Why don't we have robot DC techs? This is probably an interesting clue re the next 10 years of robotics and maybe the reason Boston Dynamics is only valued at $1.1B.

Seems we might still be pretty limited on usecases. Maybe a dexterity bottleneck.

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Post by imtringued »

bigmadshoe wrote: post #123
Hugsbox wrote: post #31

I don't understand why they would implement humanoid robots instead of purpose-built robots. The human form is not the most optimal way to do most tasks, especially as it relates to manufacturing. Robots don't need to look like humans, they need to be useful . Seems like putting in an awful lot of extra unnecessary work to end up with a worse result.

Two things: 1) we have abundant training data for humanoid embodiments (watch humans do things), and 2) the world is already designed for humans.

Whenever the topic is about humanoids all the technologists suddenly become creationists to sell the product.

There's half a dozen techno-creationists in this HN submission.

Something these techno-creationists are silent about is the fact that "for human designed" environments require the full intelligence of a human and not just have the limbs of a human. The reason for that is that most of these environments are hardly designed at all and instead rely intensively on extreme levels of human adaptation.

It's like self driving cars. The extreme tail end of things a driver must do is endless. You will have to draw a line somewhere that designates the limits of the robots and the moment you do, you will have to design environments for humanoid robots instead of humans.

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Post by bayindirh »

vips7L wrote: post #341
fnordpiglet wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s actually likely fair use on the way in as well. What’s not fair use is the production of copyright material with the model and the question is the extent to which model providers have to prevent it. These topics came up with the photocopier, VHS tapes, etc. The training side is more subtle because they are clearly unlicensed and used in the model but this is actually similar to taking a book and photocopying sec…

This is major cope. They torrented copyrighted works. It’s theft. It is in no way equivalent to photocopying pages.

Yes, exactly. My comment was a sarcastic take on that fact.

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Post by sgerenser »

edm0nd wrote: post #231
downrightmike wrote: post #135

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Softbank is bleeding money and they need cash, AI isn't shaping up to what they thought it would be

didnt they get absolutely rekt on WeWork? How are they still able to be a thing

SoftBank owns 90% of Arm which is up about 1000% since the IPO in 2023.
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