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Is this supposed to be difficult?
Try it and see.
I have already used AI to help me study for my finals, It has helped me so I don't think I need to go out of my way to repeat again.
Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school
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Tutors should be able to approximate the ZPD better than any student can. Most students lack intrinsic motivation and it's a tutor's job to help them get started.
> Most students lack intrinsic motivation Woah, this a wild claim. Plus it is on a spectrum per subject. Do you have any evidence to support your bold claim?
Okay, I was generalising from experience; most students I've met lack intrinsic motivation. School systems typically encourage students to depend on extrinsic motivation.
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>A sizable portion of the US adult population effectively can't read, write and comprehend text. Yes and AI isn't to blame for that as adults predate AI. It's the governments, schools, teachers, parents, teacher's unios, who taught them(or more accurately didn't teach them) and graduated them out of school anyway regardless just so they don't look bad in statistics. Sorry but if you graduate people out of high school…
AI hasn't had a chance to demonstrate if it helps or hurts education yet. That's the big problem with education in general. If you introduce a new factor to children's education you can't realistically measure the effect it has had for about five years , because you need to wait for a cohort of kids to go through that system and then see how they did. This means that if you introduce something with clear negative eff…
No?
https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/your-brain-on-chatgpt...
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01947-1
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/...
This also links back up to the Ironies of Automation, which came out decades ago.
The reports from teachers for the past few years have been pretty stark, with kids completely obviating homework.
Homework is exercise. If you bring a forklift to gym you end up moving weights but not building muscles.
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#385The number of people--adults included--who, when don't know something they could easily think about, resort to some AI bot rather than thinking, and developing their mind and intelligence, is staggering. Giving kids a reason not to think and develop their intelligence seems a pathway to even further declines in intelligence. Seems a quick route to dementia in old age too: if you fail to exercise and maintain something it eventually stops working.
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Not really, you might understand it in the moment, but to learn something you need to do actual work. An example is, watch a thousand hours on photography, how to take great photos. Go out and try to take great photos, you will fail. This is why all serious tutors keep saying ”stop watching and go out and take photos, every day, all the time”. I don’t know Rust, but I can understand AI outputting some Rust code if I…
I disagree. You learned something at that point it is up to you to repeat it and make it stick and make sure you learned it correctly. No teacher no AI nothing can fix that unless you take the time. Because of this I think it is irrelevant to the topic. I want to go back to the math problem, you can definitely understand the solution and learn it, then it is up to you to practice. Goof thing about AI is it can throw…
> Goof thing about AI is it can throw you many more questions
I.e. you need to answer the questions, which means work through them yourself, rather than just watching the video.
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I disagree. You learned something at that point it is up to you to repeat it and make it stick and make sure you learned it correctly. No teacher no AI nothing can fix that unless you take the time. Because of this I think it is irrelevant to the topic. I want to go back to the math problem, you can definitely understand the solution and learn it, then it is up to you to practice. Goof thing about AI is it can throw…
> Goof thing about AI is it can throw you many more questions I.e. you need to answer the questions, which means work through them yourself, rather than just watching the video.
I apologize if I'm in the wrong but I do not ever remember claiming you could just lesrn through looking at AI alone. I only defended the fact you can learn by analyzing how an AI model solved an issue. To me whenever I talk about an AI talk it goes back and forth. So in my mind it was always AI talking about a topic, then giving you an example question which you yourself solve. However for topics such as history yes indeed this is absolutely possible as they depend on memorization.
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Those bans were implemented without evidence. We have evidence AI exposure reduces learning and cognition. There are probably situations where it enhances it. But we haven’t delineated those yet, and so shouldn’t be rolling out a half-baked system more likely to hurt than to help.
what is the evidence
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#389Buddhism identifies three stages of wisdom: 1. Wisdom through dogma. 2. Wisdom through reasoning. 3. Wisdom through experience. AI is just stage 1. Instant and easily digestible. Traditional learning forces you to go to Stage 2, because you are often given too much information and you need to compress it to memorise it. And the best way to compress it, is by finding some kind of logical structure in the information.
I feel like in the context of AI in education, "wisdom through dogma" still doesn't capture it. It's not even wisdom nor dogma, but something in the form of wisdom developed through something in the form of dogma. "Wisdom" implies you actually believe it and embody it, but students don't believe it or embody it as much as just pass it along to finish the assignment. "Dogma" implies there's a coherent logic of accepte…
In my country, education is the basic minimum for any social status. Dropping before the high school diploma is basically saying that you're going to be mediocre for your whole life. Anyone will try to get the basic down otherwise that means being ridiculed for your whole life basically.
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Totally agree! For anyone who still thinks kids should use AI, another argument to make is we are still figuring out AI (hence the constant debate on it, hype, uncertainty, boundaries of its capabilities etc etc). I don't think anyone with right mind can disagree with that. Keeping that mind, wouldn't it make sense to at-the-very-least tread with caution when it comes to kids.
Whether they should or not is a moot point. They are using it and we need to figure out how to organise society to deal with it.
> figure out how to organise society to deal with it.
Yea, need to figure out to form society with participants who are incapable of thinking...
And to make matters worse the LLMs that is causing this cannot even really think!