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Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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It was posted at 5am in New York... not sure that that was a US view, so the fact that the platform is US-owned doesn't seem so relevant, if there's a global audience.

That being said, I do agree it is a legit thought (and moreso, completely on point in the subthread discussing downsides), and that it shouldn't be downvoted.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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> But on the other hand... this is a robust reminder that coding agents can do anything you can do by typing commands into a terminal—and frontier models know every trick in the book and evidently a few that nobody has ever written down before. > Running coding agents outside of a sandbox has always been a bad idea I'm continually bemused and astonished by the number of people who clearly acknowledge that it's reckle…

If you want to run Claude in a container: https://github.com/dvdstelt/ai-agents

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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How can a LLM be assigned an emotion as being "proactive". This is highly misleading to anyone that scans just the headlines. What actually happened is that the user started a prompt, and Claude took $12 worth of tokens to resolve the issue. How it did so was basically looping until it got to the answer How is this proactive? It's literally being token greedy and maximising revenue for the LLM owner. People really ne…

I've definitely never heard proactivity described as being an emotion. Doesn't really make any sense

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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It seems pretty obvious at this point that Anthropic intentionally developed a malicious cyberweapon AI simply to scare people.

Like, they even apparently recreated that old news-headline bug where the LLM starts speaking in symbols and secret language, and are pretending like it isn't just a bug that is a sign of them screwing up.

It's really frustrating that they're trying to get people to take them seriously with all of this. Like, they even went and named Mythos after an HP Lovecraft monster. It's shameless.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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I don't think the pressure of the auto lobby is really the reason. People feel cars are more convenient and more prestigious than riding on a bus. Car lobby certainly accelerated the process, but car users were the main driving force.

> Car lobby certainly accelerated the process, but car users were the main driving force. Not really. We know it’s not as much of a natural force as some would like it to be because there are places where the lobbies lost, and while cars are common and widespread they’re nowhere near as dominant as they are in, say, the USA. NJB’s next video (currently available on nebula) is about exactly that, Amsterdam’s (/ De Pij…

Isn't Not Just Bikes some US expat/biking maximalist?

I'm not sure I'd take him as some neutral authority on the history of cars and driving in Europe.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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I am using cursor on auto and I got the exact same experience.

installed quartz, used accessibility and screen recording api, all that.

initially it managed to do it on another desktop space somehow, opening safari in the background without me even noticing. but then it actually started using my own mouse while I was using it lol

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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Having played with Fable a bit, if it doesn’t kill tokenmaxxing I don’t know what will.

I'm interested in what you mean, if you could develop. Would it kill tokenmaxxing because it's so bad? Because it's incredibly efficient? Because it's way too expensive?

My perception is that it’s good, but very expensive. I would not be surprised if regular users, if they shifted their flows to Fable at API pricing, would be racking up $200 a day, not a month.

Re: Claude Fable is relentlessly proactive

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> But on the other hand... this is a robust reminder that coding agents can do anything you can do by typing commands into a terminal—and frontier models know every trick in the book and evidently a few that nobody has ever written down before. > Running coding agents outside of a sandbox has always been a bad idea I'm continually bemused and astonished by the number of people who clearly acknowledge that it's reckle…

>I'm continually bemused and astonished by the number of people who clearly acknowledge that it's reckless to give agents full access to your machine, and keep doing it anyway.

Yeah, that's why you give it its own machine :)

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