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Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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You should at least have to refund customers when you take away the ability to use a product they purchased.

This is fair for some reasonable time window after purchase. But I think it's okay for things to have a lifespan even if they cost money.

No. It's not a physical good that is subject to wear and tear. There is no excuse for a single player game to have a lifespan because it has some pointless online verification component.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Okay, things were different back then but right now you only use Microsoft products if you agree to never own it.

Microsoft Office?? LibreOffice is opensource, has everything from Word to PowerPoint, it is free, and just works.

Microsoft Windows?? Linux is free, the majority of folks use their Windows PC to Watch Netlix, YouTube, social media, write a thing or two.

Distro Linux such as Mint Cinnamon is lightweight, fast, stable, I can use it to 3D design, 3D print, coding, video edition, playing, you name it, it all just works.

The main problem I see is folks following hype like CachyOS, Ubuntu (dead dsitro harvesting users data), Arch, then have bad experience and blame Linux.

You do not need Microsoft in 2026, full stop.

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I keep VSCode because their seamless SSH integration (remote files editing) is so damn good.

Filezilla Portable for me. I never use SSH through VSCode. Most of the people I work with, do. VSCode is a binary product and therefore it is dangerous.

I don't want to have high friction from having to copy files to my host then back. I also don't want to experience latency from editing remotely. Thus, this.

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You can do class action litigation, but that takes years and the lawyers collect 30-50% of any settlement. The economics for customers don't make sense.

The Office 2024 license quoted in comment [1] says that "class action lawsuits ... aren't allowed" (but only if you live in US). Truly free country where you a free to even waive your right to sue. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48341968

No surprise there. I'm not sure how binding that is, though; it strikes me as more of an assertion than a hard and fast rule. Contracts that require an individual to enter arbitration prior to litigation are one thing, seeking to foreclose a legal remedy for a whole cohort of potentially injured consumers strikes me as more of a reach.

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But they’ve got you. Nobody uses Microsoft office turdware unless they’re locked in and have to. You lose access to it. You’re cooked.

If you’re cooked because of Microsoft’s willful destruction of property, that just means it’s not a small claim anymore.

Destruction of property is a crime, and criminal cases are not in the scope of arbitration.

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I disagree. I suspect the vast majority of Neo sales are simply driven by the ability to get Apple-quality laptop hardware for such a low price. As such, the people driving the Neo sales are competing manufacturers who offer cheap nasty plastic underpowered Windows laptops around that price point. A small minority of buyers may be primarily buying the Neo to escape Windows; but I would argue that if someone is this s…

I think you severely underestimate the power of Copilot. It's the absolute worst thing for windows. (I've been using Microsoft since Windows 3.11, till Windows 10. Windows 11 was the last drop for me.)

> I think you severely underestimate the power of Copilot. It's the absolute worst thing for windows.

I agree with you, but I think you've overestimating the level of technical sophistication of the typical Neo buyer.

> (I've been using Microsoft since Windows 3.11, till Windows 10. Windows 11 was the last drop for me.)

Kind of proves my point. I can think of plenty of people who use computers successfully every day who would unlikely to confidently state the name let alone the generation of their operating system, if asked.

Just by being on HN, you're probably multiple standard deviations from the mean.

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In a way it's not a joke. I was just considering that myself. I pay for a M365 family license, but when I think about it, I could do everything I actually use it for in Numbers and Pages. The only thing is file format compatibility, it is useful to be able to open word documents and be sure the formatting is correct, but even that is less important than it used to be. I used to make use of Office to edit work documen…

The only reason I pay for M365 family is for the 1 TB per member storage. Excel is a bonus, and Word and Powerpoint are basically not needed any more. If a better storage deal comes along, I'll happily cancel.

I agree the 1TB is a good deal. But our phones are Apple and our email is Google, so it’s all wonky sync via OneDrive (and when you have a lot of OneDrive the forced syncs to your windows login takes a lot of cache space).

Wish there was an open interface to use cloud storage, like a mount point, so Gmail or iPhotos could just write there rather than the hand carrying of data. But probably vendor lock-in is too compelling

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Microsoft's key customers aren't consumers, its business and government: specifically enterprise licensing agreements. If Microsoft seriously upset business and governments, they wouldn't be profitable, if in business at all, not long after that. Because of Microsoft's dominant position considering near ubiquitous penetration of Microsoft Office in government, one part of government will slap Microsoft on the wrist f…

Microsoft is actually large enough to start their own country. They'd just pull out of all government contracts all at once.

Since a lot of what Microsoft sells is snake oil, we'll just have the US liberate Microsoftland in that case.

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If not for the fact that some commercial software addons work only in Excel I'll be using only Libreoffice for everything. In fact that's the only major thing that's stopping me from totally abandoning Windows for Linux as well. I'm guessing that's the situation for several others though there could be other use cases that's Excel only. Instead of pressing Microsoft, it would probably make sense to force such vendors…

Which commercial Excel addons do you depend on currently?

Vena is one of the most popular enterprise budgeting/forecasting packages. It ships as a new-style Excel extension making Excel the UI for department heads contributing to a rolled up enterprise budget
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