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It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Unfortubately Qualcomm killed open source support efforts for Snapdragon X*

When did that happen?

In March on Github and their Discord server.

https://github.com/qualcomm/fastrpc/issues/193

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1ryv59a/qualc...

This is not super popular Macbook hardware so chances that someone will reverse engineer their firmware are very small.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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As nice as Apple's hardware is it's all undermined by who they are as a company, intentionally limiting their devices more and more while they relentlessly argue in courts and to regulators that we owe them more and more for using our devices. Rosetta 2's retirement announcement was when I realized I won't buy another Mac, I'm not interested in a computer that is preoccupied with stopping me from running software. Wo…

Forcing developers off of Rosetta 2 is a pro-consumer move because it gives the ultimate incentive for developers to modernize. I don’t want to use Lightroom (replace with whatever app is part of your workflow) through x86 emulation, I want Apple to bitch slap Adobe into porting it to native. Microsoft will be forced to expend resources to support x86 emulation for all of eternity. Apple throwing their weight around…

1. A ton of software won't get updated even with customers losing access to stuff they bought in the Apple app store. I've been through this multiple times with Apple where existing software is just suddenly unavailable to those who’d installed it.

2. Consumers losing the choice to use apps they bought or downloaded is not pro-consumer (if they want to continue getting OS security patches etc). As you said, it's a conscious choice by Apple to cause customers to lose access to software they'd bought etc, as Microsoft’s approach allows us to still use software from multiple decades ago.

(I’d gotten a piece of paid software from the iOS + iPad app store in 2011. I lost access a few years later during another Apple change.)

3. However, I think you're right that we will see more and more companies cause customers to lose access to existing software, features, etc that customers had bought, but similarly frame it as a good thing, forcing ‘modernization’, etc.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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It's irritating to see it constantly recommended as a real option.

I think it's a feasible option I just can't use it for work because here's how that goes: > "Hey can you remove MDM from this Macbook so I can install Linux?" No. > "Hey can I get a linux laptop for a hardware refresh?" Sure. Asahi on an M2 Macbook Pro supports almost everything https://asahilinux.org/fedora/#device-support

"Hey can you remove MDM from this Macbook so I can install Linux?"

Is there no MDM for Linux clients? How do the big tech companies with Linux developer machines (Google, Facebook, etc) manage their inventory? Do they roll their own MDM?

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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But Rosetta was always meant to be just a temporary compatibility bridge. Surely you too would consider it kind of crazy if they were today, still, pouring time into maintaining Rosetta 1 for people wanting to run PPC software on macOS/x86. The first Arm build of macOS is now 6 years old, and when Rosetta 2 is ultimately removed from macOS in late 2027 it will have been available to us for close to 8 years. That's a…

The work is done. Why not just leave it in? Or FOSS it so the community maintains it, like WINE?

Apple wants everything to be consistent. I have mixed feelings on it, because I do greatly despise windows, partly because of how inconsistent everything is. It’s chock full of half finished “migrations”. Like, programs still installing to “Programs Files (x86)” Which doesn’t matter but adds the tiniest bit of friction.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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> has a pretty poor display Framework 13 has a very good display while 12 has a crappy display. If I was buying a new laptop the Framework 12 seems like a really nice portable form factor but the crappy screen of the 12 would hold me back.

I have a 12 and the screen is fine. It's no OLED but I have no complaints for what it is. I love it as a secondary tablet-laptop for drawing and reading comics (primary laptop is a Framework 16 which I'm also in love with for Unity3D game dev and similar tasks, that one needs Windows for Visual Studio but I'm enjoying Gentoo on the 12)

Framework 13 is close to 100% sRGB which is important for any kind of creative work or photo editing.

Framework 12 screen is only 66% which is pretty terrible color reproduction. You edit something and it ends up looking like something else on the gold standard consumer devices.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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One factor I never see anyone talking about is that, for Framework laptops, the webcam is easily physically removable and the laptop will continue to function without it.

That's the reason Framework is one of the only laptops I'll ever recommend to parents who ask about devices for children under the age of 15-16. No Internet-connected computing device before that age with an integrated, un-removable webcam. Sorry... You either know people who've been hurt by online manipulation or you don't, and the harm it's possible to do is much worse when a webcam is involved.

Especially when parents aren't particularly computer savvy, kids should either have a mobile device without a camera or a desktop computer placed in a public part of the home. I know why most manufacturers don't make devices without integrated webcams anymore, but it really shouldn't be an auto-add feature to a mobile computer.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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> M-series MacBooks stink I've been around a lot of modern MacBooks both in my company and I've also owned a bunch, none of them stunk. I think this is a rare issue. At least it is lower than 1/20, if not much much lower.

I've never had a smelly Mac, and I've owned maybe 10 different ones across personal and various work laptops. And 90% of devs I've ever met have used Macs and none of them smell either, so it's zero out of maybe 200+ in my personal experience.

The devs or the macbook?

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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> The problem is, for an overall worse experience, are you willing to pay 20-40% more? This is subjective. For me: yes. It buys me a lot, repairability and not being in the apple ecosystem are two things I value enough that it makes sense for me to go with Framework. It flips it to an overall better experience.

Let’s not forget that Apple advertises paid subscriptions in notifications and settings pane alerts when you first buy the computer. They offer free trials which you can’t cancel without immediately ending the trial. (E.g., you can’t turn off auto-renewing without forfeiting the trial) A device that has ads and/or behavioral pushes to subscription services and costs $500 doesn’t really cost $500.

If they're just advertising those things when I first buy it then my annoyance is somewhere between negligible and $10.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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What Framework is trying to do feels like something that would've made more sense 10 years ago. And the reason for that is b/c of Moore's Law approaching its end. The way to manufacture more efficient compute now is do things like put DRAM closer to the chip and even closer integration between CPU and GPU. The fact that Apple can co-design their silicon such that the CPU and GPU can pull from the same pooled RAM is a…

> Moore's Law approaching its end. No it isn't. We are going more parallel and the transistor counts will continue to rise.

Zen 5 has 8.3 billion transistors in a chiplet, Zen 1 had 4.8 billion per chiplet. If we add on some more to compensate for the separate I/O die then we're looking at basically one doubling over several generations and 7 years.

There's still significant gains to be had, but the exponential growth is really petering out.

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