Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

Post by selivanovp » Thu, May 28, 2026, 7:06 AM UTC

marcus_holmes wrote: post #349

mikestorrent wrote: post #347

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Great, more dead boys for nothing. As a Canadian, I think we've sacrificed enough generations for European brother wars. Given retrospect, wouldn't a land deal have been better than half a million dead? Wouldn't walking away from your house, maybe with a reparations package, be better than it being blown up by drones and your family killed? I don't think we need to go to war. We need to find a way to deal with Russia…

Agree completely. But part of that would be getting Russia to stop attempting to become a cold-war boogeyman, and stop behaving like a cold-war boogeyman. Russia also signed that treaty, and is also blatantly breaking it.

Post by krige » Thu, May 28, 2026, 7:08 AM UTC

mikestorrent wrote: post #347

marcus_holmes wrote: post #340

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> Do we need to actually go to war with Russia? Yes. That's what everyone signed up to [0] when Ukraine gave up its Soviet-era nukes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Great, more dead boys for nothing. As a Canadian, I think we've sacrificed enough generations for European brother wars. Given retrospect, wouldn't a land deal have been better than half a million dead? Wouldn't walking away from your house, maybe with a reparations package, be better than it being blown up by drones and your family killed? I don't think we need to go to war. We need to find a way to deal with Russia…

Post by krige » Thu, May 28, 2026, 7:13 AM UTC

selivanovp wrote: post #379

Lio wrote: post #375

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Land deal? Russia has never asked for a land deal. They started the war and their goal has always been the total destruction of Ukraine and the enslavement of the people. Where they’ve pulled back from occupied areas they’ve mass civilian graves and bodies with signs of torture.

Stop spreading propaganda. - Ukrainians are the second largest ethnicity in Russia. - The majority of people living on a currently contested territories of Ukraine used to be USSR citizens. - Russia got the majority of Ukrainian refugees since the start of a war if we count per country. - Pretty much all the former Ukraine citizens got Russian passports and a citizens of Russia now. - And yes, if Ukraine is using cit…

Post by ifwinterco » Thu, May 28, 2026, 7:20 AM UTC

adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #252

bluegatty wrote: post #249

This is actually more likely a non-political procurement decision that looks like a political one. This is the 'right size' for Canada and other nations - the US doesn't offer a true comparable, and, looks like the US balked at buying the 'kind of comparable' Boeing E7 putting it in jeopardy. With European military renaissance and the SAAB gear proving itself in Ukraine ... well, you see the shift. This is the shift…

In the past countries would buy American equipment even if it wasn’t the best fit because that would make you essentially an American ally. Being part of the U.S. ecosystem was valuable. Unfortunately, over the last 1.5 years, the political value proposition has turned by 180 degrees. - Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. But the U.S. has been tearing ag…

Post by ranguna » Thu, May 28, 2026, 7:35 AM UTC

switchbak wrote: post #149

throwaway85825 wrote: post #136

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The point is that focusing on a rare us supply chain obscures the bigger picture.

It sounds like you're obscuring the point by muddying the water here.