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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by giancarlostoro »

pixl97 wrote: post #348
giancarlostoro wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram creator arrested for the crimes of his users on his platform. He did not commit any of these crimes, he's being held as complicit, when every other social media giant is not being held to this standard, and its ridiculous to hold most platforms like this liable, unless it's the only thing they host. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_indictment_of_Pavel...

> when every other social media giant is not being held to this standard, and its ridiculous to hold most platforms like this liable, unless it's the only thing they host. My guess is there's a little bit of confusion on why this happened on your part. If the government wanted to, they can and will go after the other platforms. But you see the other platforms aren't end to end encrypted and gladly give up the data to…

> the other platforms aren't end to end encrypted

This is false. Discord (Voice & Video), Facebook Messenger, iMessage (to the point law enforcement has to rely on "leaked" message contents from the phones notifications), WhatsApp, Signal, Viber, and plenty others. They all have end to end encryption in some way, shape or form. There's also Twitter / X that has this as well.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by shimman »

breezybottom wrote: post #352
bearjaws wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it would make officers turn in the bad apples, since they insist "one bad apple" each time these issues arise.

How do you "turn in" a sheriff? It's an elected position

Recall or arrest them. Once workers realize how poor leaders effect their livelihood explicitly, the problem tends to solve itself. Doubly so when we're talking about police unions here.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by autoexec »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #373
autoexec wrote: post #358

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> For police in particular, the unions prevent a lot of police accountability, and because of the power that police wield over the population, I am comfortable saying I support unions EXCEPT police unions. Police unions don't have the power to stop state prosecutors from filing charges on officers, or the power to stop a jury from finding an officer guilty, or the power to stop a judge from sending a cop to prison fo…

> Police unions can ask for unreasonable things, but when they do our governments should be telling them to fuck off instead of rubber stamping whatever they ask for. the rub: police unions are highly political machines and heavily involved in electing rubber-stamp politicians. it's a quid-pro-quo relationship that we seem to have a very hard time breaking out of in the united states. re: police requiring unions: i h…

It falls on We the People to make sure our elected officials are working for us and not giving police unions whatever they want, but we will probably need election finance reforms to make it harder for the unions to influence the outcomes.

Police departments have already been found to do things like force officers to work an unsafe number of hours, commit wage theft in the form of unpaid overtime, engage in harassing and inappropriate behavior including sexual harassment, and the use of tasers on officers. Officers need unions to prevent abuse and exploitation and to ensure that they have protection from retaliation when they report on their fellow officers. Even abusers are sometimes abused. If we want good, honest people to work in police departments, we need to create work environments where they can and will want to. We can chase out those who aren't fit for the job as we go while still leaving good officers protected where they should be.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by enoint »

hermannj314 wrote: post #243
Aurornis wrote: post #35

> retired Tennessee law enforcement officer Larry Bushart has won a substantial settlement from the county and sheriff behind his arrest. I did not expect to read that the victim was a retired law enforcement officer. This whole case is weird. I’m glad he won a settlement but I would like to see some actual accountability.

Most people would spend 40 days in jail for $800k. Why wouldn't police collude together to arrest one another? This feels like a free money glitch. I agree without accountability this provides a huge incentive to enrich your friends quite easily off the taxpayer.

Isn’t Jan 6 a better example? The next Jan 6 will be full of those seeking eligibility into a potential slush fund

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by usefulcat »

hermannj314 wrote: post #243
Aurornis wrote: post #35

> retired Tennessee law enforcement officer Larry Bushart has won a substantial settlement from the county and sheriff behind his arrest. I did not expect to read that the victim was a retired law enforcement officer. This whole case is weird. I’m glad he won a settlement but I would like to see some actual accountability.

Most people would spend 40 days in jail for $800k. Why wouldn't police collude together to arrest one another? This feels like a free money glitch. I agree without accountability this provides a huge incentive to enrich your friends quite easily off the taxpayer.

You're making a big mistake by completely failing to account for the inherent (not to mention quite large) uncertainties in this kind of situation.

A priori, it's not "40 days in jail == $800k payday", it's "some unknown number of days in jail and risk of a conviction in exchange for a chance at a payday of unknown value".

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by russdill »

LightBug1 wrote: post #76
russdill wrote: post #50

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So the taxpayers should not face accountability for who they elect?

What a ridiculous argument. Basic responsibility sits with those who commit the act.

Voters are well aware that elections have consequences that have real impacts on their lives.

If you elect someone who crashes your economy, who suffers those consequences? Maybe this isn't so much of a "who should suffer the consequences" but maybe more of a "who does (logically) suffer the consequences".

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by JuniperMesos »

whyenot wrote: post #363
freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

I agree, and any time there is a security breach, bug or other employee-caused calamity at a tech company that results in a lawsuit or settlement, the money should come out of employee 401k accounts, stock options, etc. These people need to police themselves. By aligning incentives it will encourage the good developers and force out the bad ones.

One benefit of a 401k account over a pension is that the individual beneficiary controls the account, and not some other entity who can be sued for something an individual employee had nothing to do with. Indeed, pretty much every personal financial advice thinker would advise an employee not to put their own company's stock in their 401k, in order to avoid a source of company-specific risk.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by UltraSane »

freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

US police absolutely hate accountability and fight any effor to impose it very hard.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by worik »

janalsncm wrote: post #377
freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

From what I could tell from the article, an officer submitted a warrant request to a judge and the judge approved it. That request was potentially incomplete because it left out the fact that the victim here didn’t actually make the meme. On the other hand I’m not sure whether omission matters since it would still be protected speech if he made it. So I would place a good amount of blame at the feet of the judge, who…

> Second problem I see is that this took 37 days to resolve

"Justice delayed is justice denied " is an important principle that appears to have been forgotten in the west

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by worik »

WillAdams wrote: post #249
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #238

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That's a lot of liability for police. They would likely buy insurance against it.

And insurers doing their due diligence and charging based on potential for liability would go a long way to mitigating abuses. Best solution would be to simply require licensing and conduct standards to be a police professional similar to that required for Registered Nurses.

Is privatising ethics enforcement like this a good idea?
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