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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by embedding-shape »

vga1 wrote: post #354
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely there would have been mumblings in certain sectors of the EU since the first Trump administration? It’s just that they started to execute now?

Yeah, AWS even was trying to found a EU sovereign cloud precisely for this reason. https://aws.eu/ I haven't heard of anyone moving to this, though.

I guess they eventually read their own local (US) laws and figured no one cares about that effort since Amazon is still covered by CLOUD Act, regardless of what ccTLD they happen to use for their landing page.

> The CLOUD Act primarily amends the Stored Communications Act (SCA) of 1986 to allow federal law enforcement to compel U.S.-based technology companies via warrant or subpoena to provide requested data stored on servers regardless of whether the data are stored in the U.S. or on foreign soil.

Once that was in place, AWS could host their "EU" servers on the moon for all I and others care, still not a solution to avoid the claws of the US.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by frumplestlatz »

Alacart wrote: post #368
frumplestlatz wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sources for those quotes would be very helpful for anyone interested in this, because I’ve certainly never heard this before. We’re two years into his term and democracy does not appear to be dismantled, or even remotely at risk of being dismantled. I also expect the same or similar accusations to be leveled at the next Republican candidate, who if elected, will also not “dismantle democracy”.

Here is a video of him saying it: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bTm0du4kUH0

Thanks for the context.

He’s speaking to evangelical Christians that do not regularly vote, and in the context of instituting voter ID to secure future elections.

ID is required to vote in most (all?) EU states.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by englishrookie »

weberer wrote: post #347
embedding-shape wrote: post #151

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> Definitely a change, because it is not something I can recall being important just a couple of years ago. I work as a consultant and freelancer across a bunch of companies, some American but mostly European ones. Last ~8 months or so, the sentiment about "Hosting our data in EU or even our own country" has drastically changed, I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before. The amount o…

>I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before Its not about public opinion, but rather data sovereignty requirements. Certain types of data must be processed within servers located in the EU, regardless of where the company's HQ is. That's why you see most SaaS platforms nowadays offer a EU-only version.

Well, there are also noises about the SaaS company preferably not being American. Apparently there's a US law that compels US companies to divulge data on their users even if the data is hosted outside of the US. (I'm not sure this wouldn't happen anyway, without such a law.)

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by AlecSchueler »

fp64 wrote: post #133
blipvert wrote: post #97

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Research. Not implementation.

My understanding is that the research service is providing legislation with research to inform them on how to implement. What is your claim? That the parliamentary research service is just a bunch of people writing documents nobody cares about and if you look just long enough you will find for each of their results something that claims the opposite?

> My understanding is that the research service is providing legislation with research to inform them on how to implement

And do you think the research would be complete or honest if it didn't present criticisms and a comprehensive list of use cases for VPNs? It says so many positive things about VPNs and describes them as "essential" so it's really difficult to comprehend how anyone could spin it as somehow calling for a VPN ban.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by frumplestlatz »

tcp_handshaker wrote: post #376
frumplestlatz wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sources for those quotes would be very helpful for anyone interested in this, because I’ve certainly never heard this before. We’re two years into his term and democracy does not appear to be dismantled, or even remotely at risk of being dismantled. I also expect the same or similar accusations to be leveled at the next Republican candidate, who if elected, will also not “dismantle democracy”.

>> Sources for those quotes would be very helpful for anyone interested in this, because I’ve certainly never heard this before. Asking for a quote of what he said so many times, and that is so easily found with a basic web search, says a lot about your comment.

He hasn’t said what the parent said he did, and in the peer comment linking a video of him saying something similar, the context supplies quite a different meaning than was implied above.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by embedding-shape »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #355
embedding-shape wrote: post #282

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> Trump 2 is about dismantling democracy Seems strange to me that not everyone, including republicans, aren't aware of this, when he's pretty outspoken about not wanting any more elections, and how "if you vote for me this time, it'll be the last time you have to vote". If a presidential candidate anywhere else was openly talking about wanting to remove elections and democracy in the country (not to mention triggered…

Sources for those quotes would be very helpful for anyone interested in this, because I’ve certainly never heard this before. We’re two years into his term and democracy does not appear to be dismantled, or even remotely at risk of being dismantled. I also expect the same or similar accusations to be leveled at the next Republican candidate, who if elected, will also not “dismantle democracy”.

> We’re two years into his term and democracy does not appear to be dismantled, or even remotely at risk of being dismantled. I also expect the same or similar accusations to be leveled at the next Republican candidate, who if elected, will also not “dismantle democracy”.

I'm not American, I dislike Democrats and Republicans in the US, they're both horrible, just to preface this. Secondly, no other president has urged people to vote for them so people don't have to vote ever again, nor has any president threatened to put previous presidents in jail, nor has any president talked about wanting to skip the mid-terms.

I dislike politicians in general, but also, I'd be blind to not see when someone is extremely dangerous to democracy in general, beyond political affiliations. I'd say the same if it was Obama or who else, because as I said, I don't like any of them.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by AlecSchueler »

xienze wrote: post #231
blipvert wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Research. Not implementation.

Trump was "researching" and not "implementing" taking Greenland by force, yet it sure did whip people up into a frenzy. Meanwhile, "researching" chat control, VPN restrictions, etc.? "Oh it's just research, they're not actually going to do it."

> Trump was "researching" and not "implementing" taking Greenland by force,

No? He was making direct threats.

> Oh it's just research, they're not actually going to do it."

Yes, would you rather they just legislate by pure vibes?

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by rdiddly »

vga1 wrote: post #364
patrickmcnamara wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump 2 is worse than Trump 1 by far from EU perspective. And it also proved that it wasn't a once-off that Americans will vote in someone who threatens to dismantle NATO, invade Greenland, or start trade wars with allies for no reason.

Also Trump 2 proves without a doubt that at least half of the american voters are absolutely insane or incredibly stupid. For 1 there used to be some doubt. We in Europe are enjoying roughly 15-20% insane/stupid ratings at this point, which is not great but still a bit better.

This logic applies if you believe it was an honest and fair election.
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