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Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by frm88 »

csnover wrote: post #292
squigz wrote: post #229

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> Why does everyone on HN seem to have a hate boner for alcohol? The main problem there is car culture, not the alcohol. I don't really see how car culture has anything to do with stuff like domestic violence, child abuse, or various other side-effects of alcohol culture.

As with the cars, those are not alcohol issues, they are violence issues. Whether a drunk person turns to saccharine displays of affection or destructive acts of violence is likely driven by cultural norms and the underlying conditions of their lives.[0] Blaming alcohol for violence is akin to blaming the internet for increases in fraud. [0] https://doi.org/10.4135/9781483331096.n184

Globally, 38% of violent deaths are alcohol-related 81% of male perpetrators of intimate partner violence in England and Wales test positive for alcohol at arrest

https://worldmetrics.org/alcohol-violence-statistics/

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Post by NoPicklez »

whattheheckheck wrote: post #366
NoPicklez wrote: post #362

This is a good thing. Maybe I could sit here and debate the pros and cons, supposed crap about my liberties, is the age bracket the right way to go about it. But this is a good thing, there is nothing good about cigarettes no matter which way you argue it, or compare it to anything else.

Buckle up for more legally enforceable parental guidance for how you should live your life to serve the state

Should we completely stop smoking? Yes. There is absolutely nothing about it that is good for us or anyone near those smoking.

Its not just how you life your life to the state, its for your own health and those around you. Your life will be marginally better without cigarettes.

Re: Smoking ban for people born after 2008 in the UK agreed

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Post by theodric »

AngryData wrote: post #367
theodric wrote: post #335

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Prohibition doesn't work because people want to modulate their consciousness, chemically force-relax, reduce inhibitions, etc. It didn't work before, and it won't in the future. The more things are forbidden, the more taboo and attractive they become. This banal, smiling, petty authoritarianism sickens me. Bodily autonomy trumps "common good" arguments, and where it somehow doesn't, injustice abides. Society's job is…

Smokers already more than pay for their healthcare so punishing them further is silly. Not only is their lifetimehealthcare cheaper, because smoking disqualifies you from many procedures and kills most users right around retirement age before the expensive age-related care becomes common, but the sin-tax collected from smokers in most countries is larger than the average lifetime medical care cost. It's basically tax…

An interesting point. So over the next ~60 years, the UK has committed itself to having to find a replacement for all the tax revenue that will be lost by eliminating tobacco products. Additionally, the number of people with longer lifespans will increase, necessitating more late-life care delivery through the NHS, which will also have to be funded.

Outcome: this will cost everyone a lot of money. Time to raise the retirement age to 80!

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #338
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #248

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Not the second-hand vape issue though. Those of us who don't smoke or vape can smell that shit a couple of hundred metres away.

You should have smelled the bathroom here an hour ago. They ought to ban chipotle for the same reason. Secondhand chipotle is the worst.

> chipotle

Have you considered just eating food?

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Post by sir0010010 »

AngryData wrote: post #371
sir0010010 wrote: post #181

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Taking away smoking still solves the secondhand smoke issue.

Secondhand smoke is such a small effect with current levels of smoking and smoking laws that it is hard to even discern data about it.

Citation needed

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Post by taylorius »

As the saying goes - "Alcohol is an excellent servant, but a terrible master." The same could be said for Metrics. So much is measurable these days, and we love to watch the chart go up or down. If it hasn't been measured, it doesn't exist. And the bureaucrats conjure reality with nothing but a spreadsheet and the flourish of a rubber stamp.

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Post by [deleted] »

Gud wrote: post #189
sailfast wrote: post #161

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Is weed legal in the UK? Do people still smoke it? This might play right into the hands of bootleggers and gangs but also into the Swedish / American nicotine pouch industry which is basically marketing straight at kids. Also - vapes. Most folks don’t smoke cigarettes anymore. How does this control vaping?

There is a big difference between weed and tobacco. I am a fairly regular weed smoker. I used to grow my own. I used to smoke tobacco. I can go weeks, months and even years without smoking weed. Kicking my nicotine habit took many, many, many tries and I didn't even enjoy it! They are not the same.

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Post by hadlock »

AngryData wrote: post #371
sir0010010 wrote: post #181

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Taking away smoking still solves the secondhand smoke issue.

Secondhand smoke is such a small effect with current levels of smoking and smoking laws that it is hard to even discern data about it.

Second hand smoke is a large (almost overwhelming) factor in SIDS. Also for people who don't smoke, it smells f--king disgusting. Nobody wants to deal with that in their life.

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

nephihaha wrote: post #306
falcor84 wrote: post #69

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Interesting - do you have a link about the financial accounting around this?

I do not have the specific info/ref to hand, but at one point some years ago, smoking brought in something of the order of nine times as much into the NHS as it spent on smoking related illnesses. I was very surprised by this.

Even so, the NHS's goals are rightly such that greatly reducing the harm done by smoking is preferred over keeping this revenue. Unlike a tobacco company that would not factor harms external to the organisation into the profit and loss calculation.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #384
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #338

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You should have smelled the bathroom here an hour ago. They ought to ban chipotle for the same reason. Secondhand chipotle is the worst.

> chipotle Have you considered just eating food?

Has everybody in the world considered just not vaping?

Like secondhand vapor, we can't control other people's secondhand chipotle unless we ban chipotle.

And since I don't like the smell, we've got to ban both.

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