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Post by marcus_holmes »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #59
sourcecodeplz wrote: post #15

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Haven't seen a jump this large since I don't even know, years? Too bad they are not releasing it anytime soon (there is no need as they are still currently the leader).

A jump that we will never be able to use since we're not part of the seemingly minimum 100 billion dollar company club as requirement to be allowed to use it. I get the security aspect, but if we've hit that point any reasonably sophisticated model past this point will be able to do the damage they claim it can do. They might as well be telling us they're closing up shop for consumer models. They should just say they…

This is my nightmare about AI; not that the machines will kill all the humans, but that access is preferentially granted to the powerful and it's used to maintain the current power structure in blatant disregard of our democratic and meritocratic ideals, probably using "security" as the justification (as usual).

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Post by ls612 »

kypro wrote: post #373
ls612 wrote: post #364

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While I'm definitely concerned that AI is a massive driver of centralization of power, at least in theory being able to do far more things in the space of "things physics admits to be possible" is massively wealth enhancing. That is literally how we have gotten from the pre-industrial world to today.

Controversially I'd argue that there is likely an optimal and stable level of technological advancement which we would be wise to not to cross. That said, we are human so we will, I'd just rather it happened in a couple hundred years rather than a decade or two. For example, it's hard to imagine an AI which gives us the capability to cure cancer, but doesn't give us the capability to create target super viruses. Nick…

Also controversially, it isn't clear to me that perfect totalitarianism (what he calls solutions 3 and 4) is a preferable outcome to devastation.

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Post by marcus_holmes »

therealdeal2020 wrote: post #227
cedws wrote: post #80

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More than killer AI I'm afraid of Anthropic/OpenAI going into full rent-seeking mode so that everyone working in tech is forced to fork out loads of money just to stay competitive on the market. These companies can also choose to give exclusive access to hand picked individuals and cut everyone else off and there would be nothing to stop them. This is already happening to some degree, GPT 5.3 Codex's security capabil…

but you are assuming that the magical wizards are the only ones who can create powerful AIs... mind you these people have been born just few decades ago. Their knowledge will be transferred and it will only take a few more decades until anyone can train powerful AIs ... you can only sit on tech for so long before everyone knows how to do it

Unless, of course, the powerful manage to scare everyone about how the machines will kill us all and so AI technology needs to be properly controlled by the relevant authorities, and anyone making/using an unlicensed AI is arrested and jailed.

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Post by mbil »

gpm wrote: post #319
game_the0ry wrote: post #313

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There is some unintentional good marketing here -- the model is so good its dangerous. Reminds me of the book 48 Laws of Power -- so good its banned from prisons.

Unintentional? This sort of marketing has been both Antrhopic's and OpenAI's MO for years...

Agree. I think they're intentionally sitting on the fence between "These models are the most useful" and "These models are the most dangerous".

They want the public and, in turn, regulators to fear the potential of AI so that those regulators will write laws limiting AI development. The laws would be crafted with input from the incumbents to enshrine/protect their moat. I believe they're angling for regulatory capture.

On the other hand, the models have to seem amazingly useful so that they're made out to be worth those risks and the fantastic investment they require.

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Post by riwsky »

cruffle_duffle wrote: post #317
randomcatuser wrote: post #216

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i mean, to be fair, these are professional researchers. i'm very inclined to trust them on the various ways that models can subtly go wrong, in long-term scenarios for example, consider using models to write email -- is it a misalignment problem if the model is just too good at writing marketing emails?? or too good at getting people to pay a spammy company? another hot use case: biohacking. if a model is used to do…

"for example, consider using models to write email -- is it a misalignment problem if the model is just too good at writing marketing emails?? or too good at getting people to pay a spammy company?" But who gets to be the judge of that kind of "misalignment"? giant tech companies?

Might makes right; brains hold reigns.

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Post by refulgentis »

codezero wrote: post #372
SparkyMcUnicorn wrote: post #357

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https://marginlab.ai/trackers/claude-code-historical-perform...

the performance degradation I've seen isn't quality/completion but duration, I get good results but much less quickly than I did before 4.6. Still, it's just anecdata, but a lot of folks seem to feel the same.

Been reading posts like these for 3 years now. There’s multiple sites with #s. I’m willing to buy “I’m paying rent on someone’s agent harness and god knows what’s in the system prompt rn”, but in the face of numbers, gotta discount the anecdotal.
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