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DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

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Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

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> The price increases bring the 16GB Pi 5 up to $299.99. Meanwhile, a refurbished corporate laptop with 16GB RAM and a 512GB SSD can be yours for $199 [1] I'm sure there will still be people who want the Pi 5 but at these prices, I ain't one of them. [1] https://www.ebay.com/itm/327079631563

Second hand equipment being cheaper than brand new equipment isn't much of a surprise.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

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My Samsung Galaxy S3 died after 8 years. EMMC failure. Just started boot looping while I was asleep. Everything gone. Known issue. My Samsung Galaxy S8 died at 7 years. Some kind of thermal failure, I was able to recover my data by keeping the phone in the freezer while I copied. Known issue. My Samsung Galaxy S21? I figure I've got another year or two in it before it, too, dies. Having beautiful dead phones that hav…

> My Samsung Galaxy S8 died at 7 years. Yikes, that is a long time! How many times did you fix it (screen or battery)?

I just replaced my OnePlus 5 a couple of months ago at over 8.5 years old. No repairs needed, battery was a bit crippled in active use, especially making calls, but fine for a mostly idling phone. In idle it still lasts longer than a 1.5 year old iPhone 15. I still use it for by backup phone number SIM, as it slowly gets to ~9 years old.

The bigger issue was no more OS updates since 2020, and no Play updates since 2023. The battery can be replaced but getting a fully updated OS is more involved.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

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post #23

It's terrible. Fake money is fueling the exhaustion of real resources in search of questionable outcomes ("AGI"). Imagine if all of these money were invested in curing cancer.

Imagine if AI cures cancer.

Imagine if people with inexpensive tools cure cancer. You know, like they used to so far?

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

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post #61

The SBC markets been on life support for a long time. Youtubers making videos about them don't seem to grasp that and keep pumping out reviews and projects like its still 2019. The pi specifically has plummeted in popularity and for most use cases they just aren't a cost effective option when second hand micro pcs are dirt cheap and vastly more capable.

PCs don't have GPIO. They're different markets and the desktop replacement never materialized.

1. Most people aren't using GPIO.

2. If you are as others said, you can get very cheap GPIO addons.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

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My Samsung Galaxy S3 died after 8 years. EMMC failure. Just started boot looping while I was asleep. Everything gone. Known issue. My Samsung Galaxy S8 died at 7 years. Some kind of thermal failure, I was able to recover my data by keeping the phone in the freezer while I copied. Known issue. My Samsung Galaxy S21? I figure I've got another year or two in it before it, too, dies. Having beautiful dead phones that hav…

> My Samsung Galaxy S8 died at 7 years. Yikes, that is a long time! How many times did you fix it (screen or battery)?

Never. I am very gentle to my phones. Thing has one small dot of a scratch on the screen. Never been opened.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

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I am noticing something those devices have in common. My Galaxy Tab also has dead EMMC. My HTC One M8 still works and even holds a day of charge. Too bad Android doesn't support 32bit ARM anymore.

It can also depend on the hardware it's connected to. If the endless gigabytes of Samsung's value-add software are scribbling to eMMC nonstop then it's not surprising the flash is wearing out. A lot of this stuff is masked by the fact that most people swap out their phone for a new one that's exactly the same every 12 months so they never notice this, but if you hold onto a phone or similar device for longer the unne…

The S3 ran Samsung software for about, oh, a month after I bought it brand new?

I'd been running CyanogenMod until they quit giving updates to the S3.

Re: DRAM pricing is killing the hobbyist SBC market

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In the Dwarkesh podcast with Semi-Analysis's Dylan Patel they forecast the phone market will shrink by 50% this year because of RAM prices: But that’s the high end of the market, which is only a few hundred million phones a year. Apple sells two or three hundred million phones annually. The bulk of the market is mid-range and low-end. It used to be that 1.4 billion smartphones were sold a year. Now we’re at about 1.1…

My iPhone 11 hanging on for dear life…

I replaced my old iPhone XS when they stopped making IOS updates for it. I was also curious what the news ones could do.

Turns out not much more.

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