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AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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I saw the video of men pulling children's severed body parts out of the rubble. What caused the explosion? Again there's a video showing an American tomahawk middle hitting the building... Why so much equivocating? It's shameful

Are you familiar with the Al-Ahli hospital incident in Gaza? We've been through this sort of circus before... Those of us who paid attention learned to not rush to conclusions, and never, ever trust social media or the western press to overcome or even understand information warfare.

Read my comment again, I watched the videos with my own eyes.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." — George Orwell, 1984.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Nobody will stop USA as long as they fight evil regimes.

> as they fight *weak* evil regimes Fixed. US only has chutzpah to fight someone who can’t meaningfully fight back. If US was truly fighting evil regimes, it would go for Russia, China, NK and bunch of other autocrats.

Haha. US ain’t got the balls to fight NK. They got nukes and US presidents take pictures with their supreme leader.

Iran knows what’s on the other side once they have nukes. No one touches them.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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"Three clicks convert a data point on the map into a formal detection and move it into a targeting pipeline. These targets then move through columns representing different decision-making processes and rules of engagement. The system recommends how to strike each target – which aircraft, drone or missile to use, which weapon to pair with it – what the military calls a “course of action”. The officer selects from the…

> Whether it was overconfidence in their tools or a complete disregard for the lives of civilians that caused this lapse snip it could be both, but we know no. 2, the complete disregard for the lives of civilians, is in play because, whatever else was going on, america was initiating war for the purpose of destabilizing a country, afaict at least, the reasoning has been unclear. destablize means to try to make things…

A quick explanation of how an 'accident' like that can happen (not a justification and not comprehensive of all scenarios, just from my perspective):

Strikes on civilian gatherings are more likely when the only intelligence used to make the decision are IMINT and SIGINT.

SIGINT would typically be radio activity of interest. This could be: - Known hostile entity using the radio (example: Taliban member known to US intelligence) - unidentified entities using a known enemy radio frequency (some non-state actors used particular channels for certain communications) - unknown entities communications indicated hostile association/intent. (example: members of ISIS-K discussed direct involvement in the bombing of a children's hospital)

So an analyst has determined SIGINT of interest. The signal is then geo-located to an accurate enough place in the AOR to warrant additional collection, typically a drone feed.

A reaper or predator is sent it get a direct visual of where the signal was geo-located.

Back in the day, the feeds weren't super high definition. Thus, a wedding or funeral just looks like a bunch of potentially military aged males gathering in one place.

Some things that could cement a strike authorization is seeing somebody a the wedding with a hand held radio, or collecting more SIGINT in the immediate facility. Someone attending the wedding/funeral is talking on the radio again, maybe the person previously identified as associated with the hostile group.

Depending on the conflict, that's more than was needed to authorize a strike and how we wind up reading about these gatherings getting drone striked.

Incomplete intelligence and lax rules of engagement

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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post #300

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China will be worse. Either Europe steps up or we just try living life without a hegemon.

Why do I have to keep believing China will be worse? It's not china mass survelling the planet, the US is. It's not china starting wars, kidnapping foreign leaders, it's the US. It's not china threatening their allies, not even going short of mentioning annexations, the US is.

TikTok might be the most successful global surveillance tool ever...

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Also, it's been a while but remember Trump literally said he wanted to "take out the families" of terrorists ( https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrori... ).

Obama and Bush both regularly bombed weddings where a single target was present. It's a non-sequitur point anyway, these kids weren't families of terrorists.

The terrorist is Hegseth and co.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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post #301

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Amodei looks absolutely prescient for taking a stand against use of Claude in the kill chain. Not to mention how utterly foolish DoD looks declaring Claude to be a national security threat while simultaneously using to choose targets. No wonder they got humiliated in court.

Well, to people who don't believe in precognition, it sounds like Anthropic had quality control engineers dedicated to their military clients' usage. Basically running through the prompts and inspecting the answers and digging deeper how their chatbots gave those answers. Somebody must have pressed the high-alert button, resulting in Anthropic taking a stance.

Certainly possible but I'd assume DoD expressly forbid anyone looking at their usage and Anthropic had to support that to win their contract. They may have gotten wind of what they were doing somehow.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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How many American lives would you sacrifice for that? The people who made the decision to fire a missile at this place didn't decide to start the war, once you have started the war you have to make ugly tradeoffs like being too liberal or too conservative with targeting decisions.

> How many American lives would you sacrifice for that? For what? Removing a suspected mine or missile stash that had it existed would be used to target ships in the Strait? For that you're in favour of killing 170+ schoolchildren? > The people who made the decision to fire a missile at this place didn't decide to start the war, The people that decided to fire missiles are the people that decided to start a war by fi…

> The people that drew up a potential target list did so years before

And the building was a military installation years ago. Then Iran made it into a school, nobody is omniscient here, collateral damage will always happen in war.

If things stayed static and simple as you think they are, if Iran let US military spies freely go around and note targets, or if Iran updated USA when they move their military ops around, sure collateral damage would easily get avoided, but the situation isn't like that.

> The people that decided to fire missiles are the people that decided to start a war by firing missiles .. during negotiations no less.

No, the people who made the target list are not the same people who started the war. Trump isn't there picking which building to fire it if you thought that, its guys much further down. Nobody said "we want to kill a bunch of schoolchildren first day!", they tried hard to avoid such events or many more would have died, but you can always do more and its a tragedy that it happened once.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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post #350

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Qatar is not a neutral nation. It is a US ally, and the US army has a big presence there, inclusing CENTCOM forward headquarters and air operations. The largest US base in the region is an air base in Qatar (which Iran has hit).

It's also been an ally of Iran. Qatar is not neutral in that it stays distant from both sides, it is neutral in that it attempts to maintain good relations with both sides. Iran has attacked the US base in Qatar before. When they did so in 2025, Iran's Supreme National Security Council issued a statement: "this action does not pose any threat to the friendly and brotherly country, Qatar, and its noble people, and the…

Qatar has never been allied with Iran. It has had economic partnerships, especially around the oil fields that Israel blew up, but that is not an alliance. Iran does not have military bases in Qatar.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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It's also been an ally of Iran. Qatar is not neutral in that it stays distant from both sides, it is neutral in that it attempts to maintain good relations with both sides. Iran has attacked the US base in Qatar before. When they did so in 2025, Iran's Supreme National Security Council issued a statement: "this action does not pose any threat to the friendly and brotherly country, Qatar, and its noble people, and the…

Qatar has never been allied with Iran. It has had economic partnerships, especially around the oil fields that Israel blew up, but that is not an alliance. Iran does not have military bases in Qatar.

Why would Iran need a base in Qatar? It's right next door.

Iran and Qatar do (did?) have military cooperation agreements, not only economic. [1] That's not a NATO style treaty but Qatar doesn't have a NATO style treaty with the US either.

1: https://web.archive.org/web/20251205012956/https://www.tehra...

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