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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by shepherdjerred »

macintux wrote: post #335
gib444 wrote: post #288

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What can't you do without a smartphone in the UK or wherever you live? Specifically a smartphone, not just a phone number for SMS + calls.

Not the person to whom you're responding, but for me, some of the heavy hitters: - Real-time weather alerts (I spend a lot of time in a naked Jeep in the summer, it's helpful to know when rain is imminent) - Work-related authentication - Audiobooks - High quality, always available camera with quick editing and instant sharing capabilities - GPS tracking when I'm exploring - Find restaurants, museums, hotels when I'm…

none of these are required, aside from the work example.

You just find a phone useful

Required would be “I can’t participate in society without a phone”, eg not being able to get healthcare or pay for things w/o a phone

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Post by sgt »

soapdog wrote: post #338
sgt wrote: post #304

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Agree the icons are unnecessary and silly. Apple should know better. The corners haven't bothered me much, I like seeing a bit of a gap down there, and I haven't had issues dragging it but that could be because I'm using a regular USB mouse and not a trackpad. I've been a macOS user (or OS X rather back then) since 2003. It was truly a blessing to finally get a proper UNIX™ on the desktop. I was on Linux in the 7-8 y…

Everything after Snow Leopard has been downhill in my opinion :3 macOS still my favourite unix but it started feeling is no longer my unix anymore, I'm just a glorified tennant.

My favorite was Mojave. Ran it way too long and I was 3-4 releases behind. Second fave was Panther, the good ol' days.

Never did much System 8 etc but we had it in school on one of the Mac labs.

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Post by apparent »

kstrauser wrote: post #374
apparent wrote: post #243

I find Apple's refusal to patch iOS18 (other than for very old devices that do not support 26) to be more objectionable. I have a 13 mini and everything I've read says not to upgrade to 26. Yet Apple won't issue patches for known security issues that are actively being exploited in the wild? That's crazy.

Other than the one from yesterday? https://support.apple.com/en-us/126793 Or last month? https://support.apple.com/en-us/126347 Or December? https://support.apple.com/en-us/125885 Or November? https://support.apple.com/en-us/125633 Or September? https://support.apple.com/en-us/125327 My dude, I don't know how much more patching you want.

They're not making those updates available to all devices on iOS18. For example, the update from yesterday is just for iPhone XS, XS Max, and XR. As Ars reports, they are not issuing security patches for any devices that "can" run iOS 26, no matter how lousy that experience would be.

> Apple also released a few other security-focused updates for older operating systems. The iOS and iPadOS 18.7.7 updates are available for the iPhone XS, XS Max, and XR, as well as the 7th-gen iPad, all devices that don’t support iOS or iPadOS 26. At this point, if you’re using a device that can be upgraded to version 26, Apple is no longer releasing iOS 18 updates for your phone or tablet. [1]

1: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/03/apple-releases-ios-i...

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Post by ekidd »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #287
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

I hope the author reports back in a year. Getting off the Apple train appeals to me, the reality of doing so looks bleak. Full disclosure: I've been in the Apple ecosystem since System 6, worked as an engineer there for 25 years. But I am as frustrated by many of the decisions Apple has made as many people I see posting. Liquid glass? This too shall pass. Locked down ecosystem? I imagine the blowback if they unlocked…

As someone who has moved back and forth between Mac and Linux around 3 or 4 times since 1992, Linux is actually surprisingly reasonable. For laptops, I just buy from Dell, with Ubuntu preloaded, and everything works. (Dell's build quality isn't as good as Apple's, so I usually spend extra for Dell's next-day on-site service.) For workstations, it's usually pretty straightforward to get something that Just Works.

After that, I've got Chrome, Visual Studio Code, Steam and a full suite of command-line tools, which covers my personal essentials. But if you rely heavily on something like Photoshop or the MacOS X Omnifocus application, then you might find much larger holes on the Linux side.

As a matter of principal, I consider myself too old to troubleshoot Linux without getting paid for it. It turns out that I virtually never do that, so I'm pretty happy. Really, buying pre-loaded and fully supported Linux laptops eliminates 80% of the pain, and nearly all of the remaining 20% can be avoided by refusing to get clever.

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Post by bengale »

freedomben wrote: post #351
bengale wrote: post #136

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I think this law is the wrong way about doing what they're trying to do, but I also don't want US corps deciding what is and isn't permissible in our country.

> I also don't want US corps deciding what is and isn't permissible in our country. Apple might be the wrong company for you then. They're all about corporate control and deciding what is and isn't permissible on their devices. The first time you want to install an app that isn't approved in their app store, this becomes quite apparent.

They can do whatever they want on their devices that is permissible in whatever jurisdiction they're selling into, but they don't get to choose to follow our laws. If we want those changed we'll do it at the ballot box.

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Post by johnthedebs »

freedomben wrote: post #357
stavros wrote: post #345

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No, Apple adding fees "to comply with the DMA" because "EU made us do it": https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/26/app-store-eu-rule-chang...

Interesting, I would not have expected calling Apple out for their malicious compliance practices would be controversial.

Sometimes Apple's malicious compliance is in service of (or less generously: aligned with) users' interests. I didn't know about the added fees that parent mentioned, so I appreciate them clarifying in this case.

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Post by pier25 »

richrichardsson wrote: post #191
pier25 wrote: post #32

I don't hate iOS 26 as much as I thought I would but macOS 26 has been a disaster. I'm staying with Sequoia for as long as I can. Hopefully Apple will fix this mess in macOS 27 or 28.

I doubt they will. I suspect the rumours of a touch screen MacBook are likely true and that's the reason for the shitshow that is Tahoe's UI.

Who knows. They're already reverting some stuff. In macOS 26.4.1 (released today) they've added a setting to rollback the obnoxious tabs in Safari.

https://www.macrumors.com/2026/02/16/macos-tahoe-26-4-compac...

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Post by soapdog »

wpm wrote: post #350
soapdog wrote: post #271

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Author here. Thanks for engaging is such gentle way, this is rare these days. Let me address some of your comments and maybe you'll understand my position a bit better even if you don't agree. > 1.Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered inst…

Apple has shown a warning on downloaded-from-the-internet apps since Mac OS X Tiger. That's the only reason it's being shown, there is no scary warning that users need to step-through in some basement in System Settings as they would for a non-notarized app. The popup even says "Apple has checked this application for malware". It is the smallest of friction present to get apps to run, as I'd argue that the sandboxing…

I don't like the App Store experience and sandboxing either. I just find it almost malicious that they added that dialog even for notarised applications. Notarised applications should show no dialog whatsoever, just like App Store ones. It is these little frictions that move users to App Store apps. How many users saw that, had doubts, and then decided to go back to the "safe" walled garden.

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Post by gib444 »

monegator wrote: post #379
gib444 wrote: post #288

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What can't you do without a smartphone in the UK or wherever you live? Specifically a smartphone, not just a phone number for SMS + calls.

Banks. Always banks. It is almost impossible to have a physical access token in my country.

That's curious. What do you mean by /almost/ impossible? Slightly more inconvenient / would have to visit a branch one time?

In the UK card readers are still widely supported by traditional banks. As is SMS for one time codes. People who think fintech banks are the only ones that exist might have a warped view on reality of course

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Post by FireBeyond »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #289
embedding-shape wrote: post #134

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Before the iPhone, what was their attempts at that? I remember using OSX a bunch before the iPhone was public, but never remember any of the ways they tried to lock it down, I might have been too young then.

Getting music on an ipod was always a pain unless you bought the music on itunes or ripped a music CD directly with itunes (yes, that was an actual feature. hard to imagine these days). No simple drag and drop onto a mounted USB drive like all other mp3 players back in the day. Maybe more of a lock-in attempt instead of lock down, but related imo.

> ripped a music CD directly with itunes (yes, that was an actual feature. hard to imagine these days).

These days? Last week (though WMP). My retired father's old computer died, his new one, no CD slot. Emails me from Australia asking how to rip his CDs for his media player. He's not an audiophile but he's not a technophile (and his blues music collection is sufficiently large that at least one of the blues radio stations in his city will on occasion ask him to borrow something because they don't have it in their library.

Told him to get a USB CD player and a card reader (his media player is on micro/SD).

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