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Re: Is anybody else bored of talking about AI?

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Post by remich »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #266
palata wrote: post #250

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> AI won't be what acidifies our ocean Tech is what got us where we are. AI allows us to use more energy to produce more of what is currently measurably killing us. > but AGI might save us from it. This is just faith. Some believe that prayers may save us.

"AI energy usage" is a convenient scapegoat not backed by data. Many things are orders of magnitude bigger than AI in the energy usage problem that bring less comparable value.

I'm starting to get to the point where I'll only listen to AI energy use critiques if the commentator tells me up front they abstain from all forms of social media, especially video-based social media, first.

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Post by arkt8 »

Most of boring is about people thinking AI is really intelligent. Thinking that it is magic. With magic comes the ghosts instead bugs. Who was lazy, will become even lazier. Engineers will keep building bridges... and also software.

As shown in "Normal Accidents" the strength is as high as its weaknesses, and in any complex system this is even more a problem. A catastrophic event is still to happen with AI as it happened in basically every complex system. They ocurred with trained people that wasnt believing in magic or laziness... so the scenario is even worse for AI.

Yes, I'm bored about people that believe in magic and the ghosts the are emerging and are yet to be seen.

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Post by cesarvarela »

As someone who has been in tech for 20+ years, I can say this is the most exciting it has ever been.

I've been spamming some auto research loops, and it is so addictive. Think about how many of humanity's problems will be solved because of this. Of course, it will also disappoint, like, we are still waiting for flying cars, but man, this is a unique moment in history.

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eloisant wrote: post #271
djeastm wrote: post #239

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Any thoughts on what the next generation of software devs is going to look like without as much manual experience?

When C arrived, programmers wonder how software devs would look like when they won't have assembly experience. Then the same happened with languages that managed memory. And with IDE that could refactor your code in a click and autocomplete API calls. And with Stack Overflow where people copy/pasted code they didn't understand.

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Post by boxingdog »

delbronski wrote: post #172

AI is starting to look like a net negative for humanity. I remember the early days of OpenAI. I was super excited about it. There was a new space to uncover and learn about. I was hopeful. Now I have this love/hate relationship with it. Claude Code is amazing. I use it everyday because it makes me so much more efficient at my job. But I also know that by using it I’m contributing to making my job redundant one day. A…

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Post by remich »

agentictrustkit wrote: post #378

Initially I rally had a bad taste in my mouth. It had forced me to close a business (video editing). Recently its gone a different direction so I would say the "interest" part got a resurgence for me. I'm seeing all of theses tools, people, and systems promise "can do this..." and "can do that..." but because I have a background in trust law and trust creation I've looked at things differently. I think the "can do" p…

Fiduciary duty but for AI, interesting. I think there's some potential there, though of course you'll end up confronting the classic sci-fi trope of "what if the system judges what's best for the user in a way that is unexpected / harmful"? But, solve that with strong guardrails and/or scoping and you might have something.

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Post by vparseval »

scorpioxy wrote: post #287
cyanydeez wrote: post #214

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Isn't that scary though: A bunch of people are going to be forced to use a tool that keeps them ignorant and they absolutely won't know if it's doing correct things, to the point that as you retire, the next crop is going to be much less involved in knowing whats going on. It's what happened with the internet and computer usage. As Apple made it easier to get online with zero computer knowledge, suddenly we're electi…

To me, it is very scary. I know people who have sort of "outsourced" their critical thinking to chatgpt. So to me it's extra scary when I see it outside technical circles. They'll just believe whatever that generation of LLM tells them because it is doing it so confidentially and never question or check the information. Maybe I'm naive but I thought easier access to knowledge was supposed to make us more intelligent,…

I don't remember exactly in which book's introduction Hannah Arendt mentioned this, but she pointed out that every time humanity learned a new skill that improved its efficiency in some capacity, that skill as well as adjacent skills diminished irrevocably.

AI is the thing that for the first time can think better than us (or so at least some people believe) and is seen as an efficiency booster in the world of cognition and ideas. I'd think Hannah Arendt would be worried with what we are currently seeing and where we might be headed.

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Post by hparadiz »

throwawaytea wrote: post #366
deadbabe wrote: post #328

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If you have to really understand software development to be a good user of AI, we’re screwed. All the best users of AI we’ll ever have already exist I think.

That's a good point. Im a novice self taught developer that somehow pushed through and made a decent PM tool for the construction industry. It works, if your users aren't malicious or too demanding. Now I'm working on a second project, all with AI. I haven't written a single line. It works better than a non programmer would make because I knew what to ask for. But I'll admit I'm not learning anything.

Can't say the same. I've been super hands on with a C project. Really getting into the details of the event bus and how to make things performant. The AI is still writing 99% of the code but I'm being super strict about what I consider acceptable.

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Post by AbanoubRodolf »

_doctor_love wrote: post #153

This might sound like snark, but I truly don’t mean it that way. I think what’s interesting about AI, and why there’s so much conversation, is that in order to be a good user of AI, you have to really understand software development. All the people I work with who are getting the most value out of using AI to deliver software are people who are already very high-skilled engineers, and the more years of real experienc…

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Re: Is anybody else bored of talking about AI?

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Post by AbanoubRodolf »

imiric wrote: post #307
bengale wrote: post #164

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Spot on take. The people I’ve noticed that say things like “it’s not useful” are the ones who are doing so little they can’t see the value. This isn’t to say there’s not hype. Just that if you’re not seeing big productivity gains you need to make sure you really are an outlier and not just surplus to requirements.

I rarely come across people who flat out say "it's not useful". They exist, but IME they're the minority. Rather, I hear a lot of nuanced opinions of how the tech is useful in some scenarios, but that the net benefit is not clear. I.e. the tech has many drawbacks that make it require a lot of effort to extract actual value from. This is an opinion I personally share. In most cases, those "big productivity gains" are…

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