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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by zyx321 »

noduerme wrote: post #41
beloch wrote: post #21

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It might not be. It might be. Uncertainty is the point of what Iran is doing. There might be mines in the straight that are sophisticated enough to be armed, disarmed, or moved on command, or there might not. There might be artillery emplacements* hidden and not found, ready to pop up... or there might not. There are probably still plenty of drones and missiles all over the country that can be called down on Hormuz a…

So what's left of the Iranian regime is basically like the Houthis now, reduced to getting world attention by committing random acts of piracy and firing at random ships off their coast. To make whatever point they were trying to make. Seems like a win to me. Declare victory, say the straight is open, just like the Red Sea is open. If anything moves at shipping, destroy its source. They don't have a right to attack m…

That sounds a lot like "do the thing you've been trying and failing for the past few weeks, but this time succeed instead of failing"

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by NickC25 »

card_zero wrote: post #175
10xDev wrote: post #112

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A double tap strike as well. Definitely no mistake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack Edit: *triple tap.

I would like the Iranian regime to be destroyed more responsibly and carefully.

I'd like the Iranian regime to be destroyed, and I'd like for the Israeli regime under Bibi to be destroyed, too.

They both suck and both collectively fuck off for the betterment of humanity.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by fmajid »

gruez wrote: post #280
10xDev wrote: post #273

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Too consistent, too frequent, too precise to be explained away as "stupid": https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/ce9mz0gl8z7o

From the description: >Footage from Russian state broadcaster RT has captured the moment a missile lands just a few feet from where its reporter was broadcasting in southern Lebanon. What's this supposed to be proof of? That because a bombing happened near a journalist, that he must have been intentionally targeted? Does the US even have capabilities to track journalists in Iran, of all places? Given that journalists…

That was a missile attack by Israeli forces, not US ones.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by pepperoni_pizza »

flyinglizard wrote: post #91
malfist wrote: post #88

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What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

> Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button?

Absolutely. Russia does it all the time, IDF does it all the time, why would the Pentagon be any different?

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by testaccount28 »

brightball wrote: post #215
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #135

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Destroying a school is not an "oopsie". It should literally not be possible for it to happen in any organization that values human life at all. This was a precision strike with three missiles hitting the same target, they should have been goddamn sure they knew where the millions of dollars in ordnance they were launching for the purpose of ending human life were headed. Of course, the US military places zero value o…

Let’s have a serious conversation about downplaying things because this is where all of these conversations go sideways. Many people, myself included, watch very loud righteous indignation about this awful event…while hearing absolutely nothing from the same people about… - The Iranian women’s soccer team who are returning home from asylum to likely torture and execution due to regime threats against their families.…

i think the poster you're replying to does not regard iranians as capable of independent decisions. thus, the school deaths are a crime, but the dead protesters are more like a weather event: a tragedy.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by testaccount28 »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #267
mhb wrote: post #262

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The war has multiple goals. > Why are we more concerned with scaremongering about what hypothetical evil acts Iran could commit while downplaying the evil acts that are actually being propagated by the US? Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts. And between the scales of different actions.

> The war has multiple goals. One of which is explicitly not Iran's nuclear capacity, as confirmed by one of the heads of state invading. > Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts. Normal people can also understand that some things are too serious to pass off as "oopsie". We have terms like "manslaughter" or "aggravated murder" for when your reckless negligence leads…

either way, you may wish to know: your poor argumentation shores up support for the war.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by NickC25 »

brightball wrote: post #260
mikkupikku wrote: post #241

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The real dangers to peace in the Middle East are America, Israel and historically the British, because these three are the bastards that toppled Iran's democracy and lead them to such a defensive posture in the first place. With the utmost respect, kindly blow your judeo-american sanctions out your ass. America should have NOTHING to do with Iran whatsoever, we don't have any moral right to intervention here.

It’s impossible to take anyone seriously who dismisses the threat of developing a nuclear weapon with intent to use it. Sponsoring and funding global terror networks is not a “defensive posture”. Giving speeches about nuking your enemy while secretly developing those capabilities isn’t either.

>secretly developing those capabilities isn’t either.

At least Iran's been pretty transparent about their intentions for a while now.

Israel maintains the "strategic ambiguity" about its nuclear "energy" development which is the stupidest fucking thing ever. Of course they've got nuclear weapons.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by Jerrrrrrrry »

card_zero wrote: post #175
10xDev wrote: post #112

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A double tap strike as well. Definitely no mistake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack Edit: *triple tap.

I would like the Iranian regime to be destroyed more responsibly and carefully.

I would like the same for _______.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #267
mhb wrote: post #262

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The war has multiple goals. > Why are we more concerned with scaremongering about what hypothetical evil acts Iran could commit while downplaying the evil acts that are actually being propagated by the US? Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts. And between the scales of different actions.

> The war has multiple goals. One of which is explicitly not Iran's nuclear capacity, as confirmed by one of the heads of state invading. > Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts. Normal people can also understand that some things are too serious to pass off as "oopsie". We have terms like "manslaughter" or "aggravated murder" for when your reckless negligence leads…

Military action always has civilian casualties. All you can do is hope and make effort to reduce them. And I'm glad we're on the side that does that.
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