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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by hjkl0 »

asdff wrote: post #55
ipv6ipv4 wrote: post #50

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It’s an interesting look into HN. Charitably, this is an astroturf that accumulated 200+ upvotes in about 20 minutes, which I suspect is highly irregular for HN. Along, with a very clear concerted effort to quickly downvote anyone pointing out this is isn’t HN. If this is the case, what is HN admin doing about it? Less charitably, HN is not where hackers hang out anymore. The hackers have moved on and HN is now this.

Interesting how this highlights a philosophical conundrum here that I'm not sure I have the answer to that goes beyond just forums. Do people make the community, or do rules make the community? I can envision arguments for both sides.

The rules are made by people. So it’s just people all the way down…

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by hjkl0 »

fourseventy wrote: post #372
marrone12 wrote: post #113

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It's not collateral damage in the gaza war. This was a family in the west bank, where there is no hamas and no "war", that was gunned down in cold blood for no reason. Not even presenting a threat. I hope one day you are able to find compassion.

I go to HN to read about technology and startups. I don't want to read about Israel/gaza, etc, I get enough of that everywhere else in life. But I guess that makes me not a compassionate person.

If you don’t want to read about it then don’t read about it.

It’s taking the time to post a mean reply that shows your lack of compassion.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by hjkl0 »

morgengold wrote: post #189

I have no doubt isreali forces are responsible for a lot of war crimes. At the same time i see how one they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination. All sides just need to stop with that hatred. It leads to so much pain.

> they cannot think and feel clearly anymore if your neighbours dream constantly about your elimination

This is the biggest lie of all.

Israeli Jews constantly dream about eliminating the Palestinian people. We talk about it openly and without shame.

We discuss pros and cons in terms of security, legality, world public opinion, etc. These are the only considerations. We don’t see any humanity there. We just need their land.

That said, it’s true that some Palestinians have dreams of defending themselves from us.

I believe they need all the help they can get.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by cineticdaffodil »

wk_end wrote: post #144
bhouston wrote: post #49

For those wondering, it is verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe. The New York Times describes it as such: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him i…

The situation in the West Bank (and similar forces are at play in Gaza, too) remind me of what's wrong with American policing, at a far more extreme scale. The people charged with enforcing the peace deploy lethal force with near impunity at the slightest "provocation" (a child throwing a stone, a car driving too fast); I wouldn't be surprised if IDF forces deployed to the West Bank are trained much like American pol…

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Post by wk_end »

6510 wrote: post #369
wk_end wrote: post #337

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It was absolutely not Balfour's idea to create a Jewish state in Palestine. The Balfour declaration was from 1917. But the Zionists first started to move to the region in the hopes of establishing a homeland in the early 1880s, based on their belief that a Jewish state (anywhere; Argentina was another candidate) was necessary for their long-term survival due to the long history of antisemitism in Europe - getting wor…

> people vastly overstate the importance of it. Fascinating, thanks for pointing this out. > to characterize Israel as a British colony is to deny Jews agency. It is curiously antisemitic, even as it (implicitly) absolves them of some of the blame for how things have gone. Some hill to die on.

I'm Jewish (though not Israeli); my grandparents were among those Jews who fled to Mandatory Palestine against the British's and Arabs' wishes to escape the Holocaust. Kindly, I think I'm a better judge of the right hills to die on when it comes to this particular subject.

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Post by torlok »

OutOfHere wrote: post #365
torlok wrote: post #169

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What's surprising is how nonchalantly people like you suggest victims should just surrender and leave. Exactly the same thing was told to Ukrainians after the invasion. The fucking audacity you people have is staggering.

The audacity you have to encourage them to die for nothing is what's staggering.

I'm not encouraging anything. I'm not the one putting onerous on the victims. Open a dictionary, if you don't know what "audacity" means.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by C6JEsQeQa5fCjE »

nailer wrote: post #331
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #304

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> My gut reaction to 10-7 was to nuke Gaza for good What the actual fuck. Sorry, but you’re a fucking maniac.

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> It’s very natural to want to return the same in kind

They didn't return the same in kind. Compare the "stats" of Oct 7 vs what Israel did over the next 2 years.

If you think that what happened on Oct 7 justified such a response, then you should shudder at the thought of what is justified in a merely proportional response to Israel's response. Proportionality being the foundation of justice and all that.

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Post by jon_adler »

bhouston wrote: post #349
nailer wrote: post #327

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100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have recognized a Palestinian state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-pres... While there was rejectionists in the past, Netanyahu has been the rejectionist for the last two decades. He says so himself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boa…

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Post by mindslight »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #359
wk_end wrote: post #294

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Yes, American police use these kinds of justifications when innocent people are killed too. It's absurd (watch Surviving Edged Weapons [0] some time) either way. The reality is, if you have soldiers mowing down children throwing rocks, mowing down families driving around, mowing down kids playing football, mowing down toddlers in their bedrooms, mowing down hundreds of people each year [1], you've over-indexed on vig…

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