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Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by verdverm »

jrm4 wrote: post #276
verdverm wrote: post #168

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ATProto won't be this way for much longer. Permissioned data is coming and will not be broadcast or accessible without grants. This will sit next to the public data, but separate.

So ATProto is about to die, in other words. It was already wayyy too complex. And this? Yeah, they (you? sorry) really need to just give it up.

The vast majority of people don't want their activity broadcast out to the internet for anyone to grab.

Permissioned / private data is non negotiable for any social media tech trying to gain mass adoption.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by pmdr »

reducesuffering wrote: post #344
tensor wrote: post #300

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You rank Bluesky as a net negative for society and a rank what’s become ann alt-right propaganda service as diverse? Interesting. No thanks.

I agree with GP. Twitter does have diverse viewpoints across progressive, centrist, and right wing voices. I abhor the alt-right stuff, and it is more widespread now under new ownership. However BlueSky is exclusively urban lefties. It's not diverse

I really don't think advertisers will ever embrace bsky. No one wants their brand under communist scrutiny all the time, one step away from another "cancellation." They will definitely return to X.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by BeetleB »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #316
BeetleB wrote: post #305

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I use https://fed.brid.gy/ It works. It has poor documentation, though so it took a few attempts to figure it out. For example if you don't have a profile image it won't work.

That's exactly what I've tried to get working, several times. I show up on bsky with zero posts, and I can't follow folks from bsky.

IIRC when you make a mistake and it doesn't work you have to go through a procedure to unlink your account and then relink.

It's been a year so my memory is fuzzy.

You can only follow folks who have also set up the bridge on the other side.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jrm4 »

verdverm wrote: post #381
jrm4 wrote: post #276

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So ATProto is about to die, in other words. It was already wayyy too complex. And this? Yeah, they (you? sorry) really need to just give it up.

The vast majority of people don't want their activity broadcast out to the internet for anyone to grab. Permissioned / private data is non negotiable for any social media tech trying to gain mass adoption.

Are you serious? Y'all are so confused about what this is.

The entire point of services like Bluesky and Twitter is broadcasting your activity out to the internet for anyone to see (which of, course, is technically little-or-no different from "grab")

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by pfraze »

bushbaba wrote: post #379
ChicagoDave wrote: post #124

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If there was an Internet Technology hall of fame, your work with atproto would qualify. One big innovation is to drag a large bank or Stripe on board to enable payments on the network. Good luck!

Why would Jay get the award when they didn’t actually lead or build such protocol?

Jay was directly involved in the design of the protocol

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jrm4 »

tensor wrote: post #298
jrm4 wrote: post #163

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Exactly. And I'm willing to be that Bluesky folk might be somewhat similar because they haven't figured it out yet. Except that the design of Bluesky severely increases the possibility of your data getting out of your control. And I can hear the immediate responses of "oh if you didn't want it public, don't post it," but as should be frightfully obvious -- not everyone thinks like that.

Mastodon doesn’t give you any real privacy. If I’m posting on something twitter like I want as much reach as possible. Sorry bud, we’re not actually all dumb naive people who haven’t seen the light.

Unfair characterization. You can make informed prediction about these 2nd order effects without thinking they are dumb. I don't think people who send nudes with Snapchat behaving as if they will be definitely deleted are dumb either because, you know, the heart wants what it wants.

That doesn't mean that there is no danger of people having "buyer's" regret later, or more importantly that there are issues beyond the individuals.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by jrm4 »

johnecheck wrote: post #329
jrm4 wrote: post #281

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Sure -- but it also makes it harder to verify . That's my issue with Bluesky, perhaps I'm thinking like a lawyer. ATProto's most touted feature is also its biggest danger. A post on 2 servers thats hashed/verified (and perhaps admissible in court) might be more dangerous than many more rando Mastodon servers.

Seems like the solution is to either not incriminate yourself online or get plausible deniability with a pseudonym.

AGAIN, we are way past SIMPLE SOLUTIONS like this. We have enough data and information to be able to see the potential for harm that we can mitigate through smart policy without falling back on this simple argument.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by verdverm »

jrm4 wrote: post #385
verdverm wrote: post #381

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The vast majority of people don't want their activity broadcast out to the internet for anyone to grab. Permissioned / private data is non negotiable for any social media tech trying to gain mass adoption.

Are you serious? Y'all are so confused about what this is. The entire point of services like Bluesky and Twitter is broadcasting your activity out to the internet for anyone to see (which of, course, is technically little-or-no different from "grab")

ATProto is not Bluesky, the later is just one app on the former. There are many more apps like Tangled, git on ATProto, which need private repositories.

You seem rather confused. I do not work for Bluesky. I am an independent developer building completely separate applications on ATProto.

Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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Post by lukev »

jrm4 wrote: post #157
lukev wrote: post #78

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You can care a lot about plausible deniability and the ability to delete your own data, but it seems a bit weird to denounce a whole ecosystem as "generally a bad idea" on those grounds, when that is a deliberate anti-goal of the system design. Don't use it if you don't like it. Some of us like the strong identity and content verification.

"Don't use it if you don't like it" is not a sufficient response here, because the gathering and verifying of personal data is NOT PURELY AN INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM. You might post about me. Etc. Proverbial Big Brother ALSO likes "strong identity and content verification."

"People should not be allowed to post publicly on the internet" is definitely a hot take.
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