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Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Graphene doesnt even support all usable pixels. My pixel 3a isn't supported, but is by eos, lineage, and mobian (if you don't need volte).

Your phone is too old, it doesn't get any security updates anymore since years now. Idk why you even still use it?

My phone isnt too old, it still gets updates on Lineageos. I've got no reason to replace it.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Brave has perverse incentives to discontinue it because of their BAT crypto business model that rewards looking at ads. Unfortunately even the fully open source Firefox isn't immune to the pressure from the advertising industry, with all their Google funding and their purchase of anonym.

What's the big deal? Brave's native adblocker works pretty well.

For me it's uBlock origin or bust :)

I have a lot of custom rules in it too.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Your phone is too old, it doesn't get any security updates anymore since years now. Idk why you even still use it?

My phone isnt too old, it still gets updates on Lineageos. I've got no reason to replace it.

It gets Android OS feature updates not security/firmware updates. GOS aims to be the most secure OS possible without compromise so they aren't supporting devices without them.

Pixel 3a only offered 3 years of security updates. Current GOS supported devices support up to 7 years.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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They have claimed to be degoogled for a very long time despite it regularly connecting to google. I don't see a reason to suddenly believe them unless they are as transparent and actually without Google connections like GrapheneOS.

https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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I believe it's a paid OS now. Requires subscription. It was already dead before they announced it so I guess it's deader than dead now. Edit: So apparently they're launching new hardware so maybe it's not as dead as I thought it is.

Tbh, if all of us chipping in to pay for maintenance is the only viable way to stop enshittification, maybe it's something to ponder. I would have scoffed at paying for search a decade ago, but Kagi is more and more attractive by the day. Making a financial incentive to maintain trust seems to be the one obvious way to achieve a "principled OS". But I guess that's all wishful thinking. Even getting a one time payment…

I don't mind paying for my OS but I just think they're not in a position to be asking for money. Putting a price tag on a product with zero market recognition and no software support sounds like a great way to turn any potential new users away. But then again they need to get money somehow.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Tweaking user-hostile OSes into user-friendly ones is impressive, but not sustainable. Even worse, it slowing us down from leaving Android entirely. Look at the AdBlocker crackdown of Google Chrome. Every single chrome-fork has shut down MV2 extensions, even Brave is about to do it, because it is impossible to maintain features that complex on a browser that Google spends >$1B/year to develop. Same story for /e/ and…

The day Google pulls the plug on source code releases is the day the open source community forks the last release... Not sure what this fatalism is about but it's a hysterical take.

Yes and that seems not very realistic considering they would need to replace the Linux kernel because of the GPLv2 license not allowing that.

It would be a giant undertaking akin to rebuilding the whole OS from scratch considering they have build thousands of hard and software dependencies over two decades. Reminds me of "just rebuild windows" lol

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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I don't get what's so user-hostile about Android. Everything negative about the ecosystem is mostly Google Play and the legacy of every OEM forking Android for the better part of a decade. Sure, file pickers are inconsistent, filesystem is chaotic but it's performing quite well on most hardware, runs on phones, TVs, laptops, tablets and mini PCs and AOSP doesn't contain any hooks for Google to siphon off data. Graphe…

>I don't get what's so user-hostile about Android. How about the fact that you can't install applications without having a google account. Right from the get go, it isn't a serious OS.

That's strange, I don't need one to install from FDroid or GitHub Store or Firefox. You need one for Play Store but you don't have to use that.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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I appreciate that there are people out there working on stuff like /e/OS, but the number one question I have when I learn about a mobile OS that isn't iOS or "Googled" Android is: will the banking and payment apps I need to operate in the modern world run on this OS? A lot of people don't think this way because they haven't had any problems. But then one day it happens to you and you realize, ok, this is the one thin…

Can't you pay with a card?

Yeah I don't understand it either. Why can't you just use a card? Also, are cashless stores a real, developed thing? I've never encountered one in Europe.

Re: /e/OS is a complete, fully “deGoogled” mobile ecosystem

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Not everyone has the time and resources to battle their utilities and bank(s). I know it’s important and sustained effort is necessary even if it’s hard, but we are talking about massive populations here and most people simply can’t or won’t fight that battle on their own. Organizing a large pushback is also a huge effort. And at the end of the day, there is an easy solution for folks: buy a “proper” smart phone that…

> Not everyone has the time and resources to battle their utilities and bank(s). They do, they just don't want to. Typing a short letter and mailing it is very little effort. Less so with AI these days.

An AI generated letter isn’t going to get my utility company to drop their explicitly chosen practice of blocking VPN’s.

These aren’t oversights, these are deliberate practices.

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