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OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by IsTom »

WD-42 wrote: post #150
arugulum wrote: post #131

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> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. But they did. "Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agre…

I'm sure it's a matter of interpretation. Anthropic thinks the DoW's demands will lead to mass surveillance and auto-kill bots. The DoW probably disagrees with that interpretation, and all OpenAI needs to do is agree with the DoW. My bet is that what the DoW wants is pretty clearly tied to mass surveillance and kill-bots. Altman is a snake.

> The DoW probably disagrees with that interpretation

Or perhaps, maybe, just a little maybe, DoW is getting absolutely excited about mass surveillance and kill-bots?

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by davidmr »

edoceo wrote: post #327
tedsanders wrote: post #248

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I agree it makes little sense, and I think if all players were rational it never would have played out this way. My understanding is that there are other reasons (i.e., beyond differing red lines) that made the OpenAI deal more palatable, but unfortunately the information shared with me has not been made public so I won't comment on specifics. I know that's unsatisfying, but I hope it serves as some very mild evidenc…

Friend, this reads like that situation where your paycheck prevents you from seeing clearly - I forget the exact quote. Sam doesn't play a straight game and neither does the administration - there are more than a few examples.

Upton Sinclair: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it”

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Post by calgoo »

foo12bar wrote: post #181
outside1234 wrote: post #175

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All of us can act too. Stop using the OpenAI models. Stop using the app. Design in other models no matter what. Screw these guys.

Do you expect that to work?

Its about network effect - The biggest issue is that ChatGPT is a household name like Google at this point. Everyone and their grandma knows it or are learning about it, while Claude is very well known in the tech circles. Getting tech people to switch is relativity easy (ignoring Enterprise contracts), but getting everyone else to switch is going to be very slow.

Honestly, the best thing to happen is that someone comes up with a new UI (think claw...like) that everyone starts using instead. A very cute, well integrated system that just works for everyone, has free tier, and has something that the others dont have.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by kledru »

Sorry, despite the public statements of some sort of solidarity with Anthropic by sama this looks like a plot to take over from losing position.

Sadly it would be very difficult for Anthropic to relocate to another country with their IP, models, and infrastructure.

(Guess I need to build everything I intended this year in a weekend.)

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by intothemild »

tedsanders wrote: post #359
az226 wrote: post #344

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Your ballooned unvested equity package is preventing you from seeing the difference between “our offering/deal is better” and “designated supply chain risk and threatening all companies who do business with the government to stop using Anthropic or will be similarly dropped” (which is well past what the designation limits). It’s easier being honest.

The supply chain risk stuff is bogus. Anthropic is a great, trustworthy company, and no enemy of America. I genuinely root for Anthropic, because its success benefits consumers and all the charities that Anthropic employees have pledged equity toward. Whether Anthropic’s clear mistreatment means that all other companies should refrain from doing business with the US government isn’t as clear to me. I can see argument…

We all know who's lying... The guy who's track record is constantly lying.. your boss.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by imwideawake »

Google, OpenAI, and Anthropic should all have each other's backs when it comes to hard lines like this. Sam can say whatever he wants, but signing this deal on the same day Trump and Hegseth went scorched earth on Anthropic — for standing up for the very values OpenAI claims to hold — is sleazy.

Screw Sam, and screw OpenAI. I've been a customer of theirs since the first month their API opened to developers. Today I cancelled my subscription and deleted my account.

I'd already signed up for Claude Max and had been slow to cancel my OpenAI subscriptions. This finally made the decision easy.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by slg »

tedsanders wrote: post #359
az226 wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your ballooned unvested equity package is preventing you from seeing the difference between “our offering/deal is better” and “designated supply chain risk and threatening all companies who do business with the government to stop using Anthropic or will be similarly dropped” (which is well past what the designation limits). It’s easier being honest.

The supply chain risk stuff is bogus. Anthropic is a great, trustworthy company, and no enemy of America. I genuinely root for Anthropic, because its success benefits consumers and all the charities that Anthropic employees have pledged equity toward. Whether Anthropic’s clear mistreatment means that all other companies should refrain from doing business with the US government isn’t as clear to me. I can see argument…

>Whether Anthropic’s clear mistreatment means that all other companies should refrain from doing business with the US government isn’t as clear to me.

That isn't what many of us are challenging here. We're not concerned about OpenAI's ethics because they agreed to work with the government after Anthropic was mistreated.

We're skeptical because it seems unlikely that those restrictions were such a third rail for the government that Anthropic got sanctioned for asking for them, but then the government immediately turned around and voluntarily gave those same restrictions to OpenAI. It's just tough to believe the government would concede so much ground on this deal so quickly. It's easier to believe that one company was willing to agree to a deal that the other company wasn't.

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