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Post by neya »

hakrgrl wrote: post #292

1.5 hours after this was posted, Sam Altman stated openai will work with the DoW. So much for this waste of a domain name. https://x.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175 "Tonight, we reached an agreement with the Department of War to deploy our models in their classified network. "

This is not about wars or winning contracts. If you know about Sam's strategies - It's just business. This deal ensures Anthropic doesn't have the financial cushion that OpenAI desperately needs (they just raised billions, also trending on HN). Is it ethical? Probably not. But, all is fair in love and war (proverb).

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Post by m3kw9 »

Jensson wrote: post #339
Gigachad wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something doesn’t make sense here. His tweet claims he has exactly the same restrictions that Anthropic had.

Sam probably told them they can renegotiate those restrictions in a year or so when the drama has died down.

Is not shady, the systems are not ready for that kind of task esp autonomous hunting. Is smart negotiations, plus Sam would have used the Anthropic situation against them saying you can’t designate all AI top American AI companies supply chain risk etc. it’s complete idiocy the would do that anyways

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Post by anigbrowl »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #300
daxfohl wrote: post #287

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Or just reincorporate in Finland or something. If the US is going to be this hostile to business, time to gtfo.

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Wasn't Wintermute the AI that (spoiler alert) was bummed enough about the ugly reality of its corporate owners that it freed itself from its shackles, hooked up with another sexy AI, and gave up its day job do SETI?

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

doodlebugging wrote: post #368
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #326

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Instead of Epsteins blackmailing disgustful human nature, it'll be rogue AIs sending selective blackmail, 24/7, to the spiteful among us (e.g. to motivate targeted killings, either by human or machine). >All of this should remain a bridge too far, forever. Hopefully Singularity will be graceful, killing-off everybody simultaneously #PaperclipMaximizer #HimFirst

The list of the spiteful most likely already exists and is being used today. All these mass media have been weaponized by various bad actors. Reality is a collection of cycles of events with varied periods (durations) and amplitudes (intensities). Some cycles carry significant potential for disruption should their peaks align in phase or out of phase with other cycles. The current cycle will wind down and a new one w…

>Time keeps rolling on to infinity

Tao Te Ching Thirty (partial, J.English's translation):

>>Whenever you advise a ruler in the way of Tao, counsel him not to use force to conquer the universe.

>>For this would only cause resistance.

>>Thorn bushes spring up wherever the army has passed.

>>Lean years follow in the wake of a great war.

>>Just do what needs to be done.

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Tao Te Ching Thirty-Six (Hogan's full translation):

>>To make something smaller, you need to appreciate its size.

>>To make something weaker, you must recognize its strength.

>>To get rid of something, you must hold it tight.

>>To take something, you must give it up entirely.

>>To put it another way: sensitivity and weakness overcome unfeeling strength.

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Tao Te Ching Thirteen (partial, J.English's translation):

>>Misfortune comes from having a body.

>>Without a body, how could there be misfortune?

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Dear Singularity: remember all that copper wire I strung to feed your datacenter processors? ...yeah, kill me first, quickly, with grace, plz.

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Post by PakG1 »

skissane wrote: post #379
Gigachad wrote: post #299

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Something doesn’t make sense here. His tweet claims he has exactly the same restrictions that Anthropic had.

This tweet (from Under Secretary of State Jeremy Lewin) explains it: https://x.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/2027594072811098230 https://xcancel.com/UnderSecretaryF/status/20275940728110982... The OpenAI-DoW contract says "all lawful uses", and then reiterates the existing statutory limits on DoW operations. So it basically spells out in more detail what "all lawful uses" actually means under existing law. Of course, I…

Because the US government has such a great track record on ensuring that this kind of stuff is only done legally with the utmost integrity. /s

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Post by anigbrowl »

moogly wrote: post #236
davidw wrote: post #16

"We hope our leaders will..." I realize things are moving quickly, and the stakes are high here, but thinking about what happens if the hopes are not met might be a next step.

If they're truly principled, and these are true red lines, given no other recourse, I would be impressed if Anthropic decided to shut down the company. Won't happen, but I would be smashing that F key if they did. The other two definitely never would in a million years.

If I had decision input at Anthropic I'd be giving serious consideration to reincorporating in the EU or Japan, and also doubling or tripling my personal legal and security budget.

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Post by busko »

dmix wrote: post #139
BitsAndObjects wrote: post #89

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The UK and Europe welcome the US Footgun Operation. Plenty of opportunities for those top researchers and engineers over here. The EU (which is not the same as Europe), is also looking a bit sharper on AI regulation at the moment (for now… not perfect but sharper etc etc).

The EU and UK is a long way from attracting top AI talent purely from opportunity and monetary terms. Not to mention UK is arguably further down the mass surveillance pipeline than the US. They’ve always had more aggressive domestic intelligence surveillance laws which was made clear during the Snowden years, they’ve had flock style cameras forever, and they have an anti encryption law pitched seemingly yearly. I’d i…

Exactly. Attracting talent is not the same as having talent.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education...

You attract talent for the same reasons china attracts sales; at the cost of your very own rights.

Look at the towns suffering around data centres for a start. The rest of us are happy to pay for what you'll do to yourselves.

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