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Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by auggierose »

the_af wrote: post #105
Aurornis wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you didn't catch it, this is a joke calling out the comment above it for using a couple obvious LLM-isms. The comment above may have been a joke, too. It's hard to tell any more.

> It's hard to tell any more. Wait, I think I have the answer! "You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you. You reach down and flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over. But it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping. Why…

What's a tortoise? What desert? How come I'd be there?

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by leptons »

aforwardslash wrote: post #368
leptons wrote: post #223

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>Yes, because human-made code is risk-free. If whataboutism is all you have, this conversation is over . > I suggest you actually look at a codebase of a proprietary device before forming a proper opinion You have no idea what codebases I've seen and worked in, so don't assume I have not. My opinions are well-formed.

>You have no idea what codebases I've seen and worked in, so don't assume I have not. Why not? You've been quite confortable assuming things so far, without actually contributing anything of substance to the conversation. Your opinions may even be well-formed, but if they are, your communication skills clearly aren't. So, how has been your experience using LLMs as a maker (the actual topic) or in the context of IoT d…

I told you this conversation is over.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by klodolph »

peteforde wrote: post #375
klodolph wrote: post #362

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What are you doing with TTL logic in 2026, out of curiosity? (I’m not saying it’s not used, but the only thing I’d use TTL for is building old circuits out of the Forrest Mims books.)

Reasonable question and hopefully an interesting answer... The simple lack of reasons to use TTL logic in 2026 was exactly why I didn't know what the deal was. It'd never come up, but I'd see it referenced. I'm self-taught and in defiance of the people who insist that LLMs turn our brains to passive mush, the more things I learn the more things I have to be curious about. LLMs remove the gatekeeping around asking "si…

What was the answer?

I’m just curious at this point about what the quality of the answer is, just because you made a point about LLM use not turning your brain into mush.

I’ve not really used LLMs to answer questions, since it hasn’t gotten me the answers I wanted, but maybe I’m just set in my ways.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by keybored »

stavros wrote: post #258
keybored wrote: post #256

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I’ve never written “maker” in my bio. What are you trying to prove?

That your opinion on who's a "real maker" and who isn't is irrelevant.

It doesn’t take an aviator to see that someone who instructs a program to run a flight simulator is not a practicing pilot.

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Post by asdff »

jmull wrote: post #64

> The central promise—that distributed digital fabrication would bring manufacturing back to America, that every city would have micro-factories, that 3D printing would decentralize production—simply didn’t materialize. I never heard that. It didn’t seem like 3D-printing ever showed sings of displacing existing ways of manufacturing at scale, did it? Units per hour and dollars per unit was never its strength. It was…

People thought 3d printing would be democratized like the inkjet printer when it first came about. And that would be powerful because so many trips to the store would be eliminated, so many lines of business put out, so many things changed from taking all that plastic junk at walmart or spare parts for your car plus everything in between and letting you snap your fingers and having it appear in your home, in every persons home.

Seems like today they are still stuck in the tracks they were in 2016. A couple nerds own them personally. Maybe you'd find them in a maker space or a library or school. Not in your boomer parent's office though.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

wongarsu wrote: post #306
jackp96 wrote: post #293

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I think it's really dependent on the software. And frankly, with the current rate of development, I feel like this continues to shift. No, a non-engineer can't just spin up the next great app. Even with the newest models and a great prompting/testing system, I don't think you can just spit out high quality, maintainable, reliable code. But as a generalist - I'm absolutely able to ship software and tools that solve ou…

> No, a non-engineer can't just spin up the next great app. Even with the newest models and a great prompting/testing system, I don't think you can just spit out high quality, maintainable, reliable code I think most engineers vastly overestimate how important high quality, maintainable, reliable code is to product success. Yes, you need an experienced engineer to steer Claude into making good high-quality code. But…

> I think most engineers vastly overestimate how important high quality, maintainable, reliable code is to product success.

Rather: Many software developers overestimate how important high quality, maintainable, reliable code is to initial product success.

Once the product is highly successful, a high quality, maintainable, reliable code pays huge dividends - and I have a strong feeling that most business people vastly underestimate this dividend.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by latexr »

peteforde wrote: post #357
latexr wrote: post #334

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> Having 24/7 access to a patient person It’s not a person. You understand that, right? I have to ask considering the amount of people who are “dating” and wanting to marry chatbots. It’s a tool. There’s no reason to anthropomorphise it.

I'm glad that you brought that up, because I actually hovered on my response precisely because of those words. Specifically, I wondered if I could reliably count on someone showing up to say something patronizing and unnecessary. This particular combination of snark, faux-concern and pedantry doesn't help the point you're trying to make about my loving AI wife.

It was not my intention to be patronising nor snarky, nor was I the least bit concerned for you (faux or otherwise). Though on a reread I do understand how my reply can be understood as unkind. I regret that and apologise for it. It was not my intention but it was my mistake. I should’ve made it shorter:

> It’s not a person, It’s a tool. There’s no reason to anthropomorphise it.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by asdff »

techblueberry wrote: post #226
davesque wrote: post #222

I don't understand this. I use agentic coding to do things more quickly. And it's not just toys. I end up with software that both works and is useful. Assuming AI models powerful enough to drive that process continue to be available, why would I stop doing it?

Th is isn't discussing individuals, it's discussing trends as a whole. There are still plenty of makers getting value out of 3d printers as well, but it's not everyone like we talk about everyone becoming a software developer with vibe coding.

Software is just a collection of functions. Some input returns some output.

That is what people do every day with LLM. When they ask LLM to do something, they are being software developers without them or you even realizing it. But what are they doing but building something with the LLM that takes digital input and returns digital output. It is software. Summarize this email for me gpt. That is a tool.

Re: Will vibe coding end like the maker movement?

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Post by anon7000 »

bandrami wrote: post #379
peteforde wrote: post #374

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I don't know why you believe this, but it's not even remotely accurate. I didn't want to argue with you, so I did some research. The global 3D printer market grew from USD$24B in 2024 to $30B in 2025. It's estimated to grow 24% y/y for the next decade: https://www.marketdataforecast.com/market-reports/3d-printer... If you Google it, this is generally matched by 5-6 different research companies. Laser cutters are a US…

No, you did a great job arguing my point: it's a market in the tens of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of units, so somewhere between saltwater aquaria and golf

I think you’ve done a good job disproving your point that no one is buying them. Golf is a very popular hobby.

The point of this thread: the maker movement isn’t dead simply because most people don’t care about CNC machines. In reality, there are loads of makers & people who love tinkering and building things for themselves, it’s easier than ever to do so (and to build very non-trivial products for yourself), and more and more people are able to get into this.

If the maker movement was actually dead, we wouldn’t be seeing an explosion of powerful, easy-to-use manufacturing tools available at lower & lower price points.

I guess your point is that it’s not exactly mainstream, not that no one is buying them. Which is true, but who cares.

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