Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

techcrunch.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

381–390 of 534 posts

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

#381

Post by _DeadFred_ »

nathan_compton wrote: post #244
mikestorrent wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The American Revolution was rare in that it didn't need to happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_Rebellion Interestingly y'all Americans pay much more tax now than you did to England back in the day. Turns out King George was right, and it was just about changing who the tax was paid to.

Not really a secret. The slogan was "No taxation without representation" not "no taxation." The degree to which legislation in the US is bought by big companies and rarely reflects democratic desires we may be in another "no taxation without representation" era.

We need to change it to 'no representation without taxation' and ban lobbyists for any industry/company/interest that doesn't pay an equal percentage of their income as the average 'taxed on labor' American.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

#382

Post by freeplay »

Waterluvian wrote: post #18
the__alchemist wrote: post #10

This breakdown in rule of law is unfortunate. Ideally, this would be handled by, in order of desirability: - Flock decision-makers and customers holding ethics as a priority, and not taking the actions they are due to sense of duty, community, morals etc - Peer pressure resulting in ostracization of Flock execs and decision makers until they stop the unethical behavior - Governments using legislation and law enforcem…

> It is not ideal, but it is necessary when the higher-desirability options are not working. What has worried me for years is that Americans would not resort to this level. That things are just too comfortable at home to take that brave step into the firing lines of being on the right side of justice but the wrong side of the law. I'm relieved to see more and more Americans causing necessary trouble. I still think th…

Mass unemployment would/will be the catalyst to mass uprising. All of the fuel is in place (ICE, Epstein, rising costs of everything, unaffordable housing, general lack of hope and faith in the government, etc.) High unemployment numbers will be the spark that sets it all ablaze.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

#383

Post by ratrace »

Larrikin wrote: post #168
Grimblewald wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who rape, murder, and eat children run the country and face no hint of repurcussion. There never was rule of law. Only the appearance of it.

Rape is clearly in the Epstein files. Murder is implied in the Epstein files with an email about burying girls on the property. Eating sounds like an unhelpful exaggeration, unless I missed a major news story.

[dead]

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

#384

Post by BLKNSLVR »

nvesp wrote: post #53

Kind of weird all of those people weren't all up in arms about it before the whole ice thing, why would you be mad that they're tracking somebody else but not mad that they have been slurping up data about your movements and habits this whole time, then monetizing said data by selling it to industries like insurance companies etc.

Not weird for potentially two reasons:

1. They didn't know about it. It's only recently that there have been popular youtube videos on the topic. Critical mass can take time.

2. Before "the whole ice thing" there wasn't a team of masked brownshirts terrorising communities and using all available technology they could access in order to undertake said terrorising. That these cameras are part of that available technology, the timing ain't weird at all. In fact, it was pretty predictable.

But, yes, should have been up in arms beforehand, but likely the knowledge and visceral demonstration of the effects were not known. Visceral demonstration does pretty heavy lifting.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

#385

Post by browsingonly »

_ink_ wrote: post #194

Why were those installed in the first place?

Some are installed by private entities. Home Depot installs Flock cameras in their parking lots.

I assume their primary use case is combating organized retail theft rings, as companies like Target spend a great deal on this problem (to include famously having their own accredited crime lab).

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

#386

Post by freeplay »

b8 wrote: post #272

If I was someone on the run, then I would just get a fake license plate. They record plates on the interstates as well. Also, they have cameras and presumably can alert of a certain make and model + color car trailer on AI near a last seen area. Only way to bypass that is by swapping cars or getting a really generic popular car.

Don't forget about the facial recognition any time you go through a toll booth

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

#387

Post by singleshot_ »

slopinthebag wrote: post #360
ryandrake wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would have believed that before 2020, but after COVID, I fully believe that if the food ran out, half the country would say it's a fake hoax. People would be on their death beds actually starving, and deny it was happening with their last breath.

People largely weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax either so I'm not sure how that's a relevant analogy. The response to Covid was far more disruptive to my life than the disease itself, which would obviously not be the case with starvation.

> weren't on their deathbeds with covid claiming it was a hoax

Have you treated many patients with COVID? I’ve heard the opposite of your claim from those who have.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

#388

Post by freeplay »

igor47 wrote: post #72
belinder wrote: post #55

All they had to do was not air a very expensive superbowl commercial

Are you thinking of the Ring camera commercial or did I miss a flock one during the same Superbowl?

The commercial was essentially announcing their partnership with Flock

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

#389

Post by runarberg »

thephyber wrote: post #363
runarberg wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don‘t think it really matters how much people supported these extreme actions. This policy was clearly wrong. The general public mounted a much more significant opposition against this policy then the Democratic party did. Some members of the Democratic party did some opposition, but the party as a whole clearly did not oppose this, and therefor it was never truly on the ballots. To be clear, I personally don‘t thi…

> I don‘t think it really matters how much people supported these extreme actions. This policy was clearly wrong. This is wrong and ignorant of how we select elected representatives. They have no incentive to do “what is right” and all of the incentives to do “what is popular”. The representatives who stood up against the Patriot Act, the surveillance state, “you’re either with us or either the terrorists”, etc were…

I was stating an opinion, not a fact, and I was interpreting history according to that opinion. That is I am arguing for a certain historical framework from which I judge historical moments.

I also don‘t think mine is a widely unpopular opinion either. That scholars of democracy and human rights agree that a democracy should not be able to vote them selves into a dictatorship, that human rights are worth something more than what can be ousted by a popular demand. So I don’t think this is an unreasonable historical framework, from which I judge the actors of this history of.

Re: Americans are destroying Flock surveillance cameras

#390

Post by throwaway85825 »

thephyber wrote: post #329
t-3 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American and French revolutions originated in the middle classes. The poor are often indifferent to politics because they're focused on survival. The middle classes, who own things they don't want to lose and have free time to aspire for more, are the ones who start revolutions. The poor only came in after being whipped up by the interested parties, and don't necessarily join the revolutionary side.

Three critical differences the American Revolution had: (1) the middle class had some extremely well educated people, (2) the communication technology among the colonies was pretty fast whereas the comms between the colonies and the British rule across the Atlantic was slow, and (3) the empire tried to clamp down on the colonies ability to export to any market other than the mother country, killing lots of profit whi…

(4) the British navy was busy raiding the carribean for prize money and abandoned the army in america.

I recommend the book "The Men Who Lost America: British Leadership, the American Revolution and the Fate of the Empire"

Post reply on HN