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Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #359
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #349

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"I'm am just an outlier here?" No. The "banking app doesn't work" argument against non-corporate mobile OS, raised incessantly is HN comments, is bogus I want a "phone", i.e., small form factor computer, that can run something like NetBSD, or Linux. But I have no intention of using it for commercial transactions. Mobile banking is not why I want to run a non-corporate OS I want to use it for recreation, research and…

> I want a "phone", i.e., small form factor computer, that can run something like NetBSD, or Linux. But I have no intention of using it for commercial transactions. Mobile banking is not why I want to run a non-corporate OS > I want to use it for recreation, research and experimentation I am a firm believer that phones are personal computers and should have all the end user freedom we have come to expect from persona…

So the world should cared to your needs when literally almost every adult has a phone even in third world countries?

Before you say “what about the poor people” in the US at least, even poor people can get a subsidized free phone through the UCF (?) government fund

Also see: no I’m not going to waste development time di you can get to a website I develop with JS disabled or so you can use lynx

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by mistercheph »

dmitrygr wrote: post #131
moron4hire wrote: post #126

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My moral justification is that my right to do with the physical property I have in my physical hand is more important than any noncorporeal corporation's right to do anything with their noncorporeal intellectual property. The truth is, I gave party C money for a product. Party B does not get to say anything about what party C gave me. And they absolutely do owe me something, and that is the use of the product they ga…

And you can use it. You can, in fact, keep using the software that shipped on it. What you want is access to further intellectual property they develop (updates, features), that just so happens to be able to run on your hardware and ability to shepherd it in a direction you want and they don’t.

I'll gladly take that trade, either: - They lose the right to their "intellectual property" and I'll accept that they owe me nothing. or: - They continue to enjoy "intellectual property" protections granted by the state, but the state subdues them into actions which are for the benefit of the public.

I'd be happy to make that offer to any of the parties that build closed ecosystems, but none of them will take the offer since closed ecosystems are almost always built with the intent of misusing the copyright system to create a state-enforced monopoly and bloodsuck value produced by real economic activity.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by BreakingProd »

cantalopes wrote: post #373
Markoff wrote: post #355

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I can get alerts in email or messages, no need dedicated app for that, I can track there also my balance, so only useful thing app provides are easy wire transfers from phone, which I never do, if I wanna transfer money is much more convenient work big display, proper keyboard and mouse than from phone.

"if I wanna transfer money is much more convenient work big display, proper keyboard and mouse than from phone" You realize how ridiculous this sounds, right?

It reads like he made typos/autocorrect mistakes on his mobile phone!

Which is a pretty funny illustration of the gist of what he was saying… it’s easier to make mistakes on phones.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by kllrnohj »

user3939382 wrote: post #263
Onawa wrote: post #259

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I've been flashing phones for over 2 decades and have never bricked a phone. How did you manage that?

Are you seriously implying that flashing phones doesn’t risk bricking them or you’re not aware of that risk are you serious?

"flashing" a phone is largely the same as any OTA update. There's of course always a risk of it going wrong, disk failures are always possible, but it's exceptionally hard to do so accidentally. Especially with custom ROMs where they basically never include a new bootloader, so "flashing" is no different than installing an OS on a desktop system - it's just writing to the boot partition. Which you can always do again since the bootloader is still available.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by LtWorf »

rightbyte wrote: post #363
xprnio wrote: post #353

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But 2FA is moot if it’s the same device as your bank app, is it not?

Yes. Please tell my bank that.

They know. The EU directive is quite clear that hw tokens are to be preferred over phones. Banks are cheap though and violate it.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by nradov »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #371
nradov wrote: post #347

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That's true, but the notion that we're still using paper checks in 2026 is so crazy. And yet they remain the cheapest way to handle many transactions in the US financial system. Like a lot of small healthcare providers still prefer to receive paper checks from insurance companies because the electronic payment processors take a 3% fee.

Why won't they just use Bank Transfers? Using Checks or Credit Cards for Payments between companies sounds completely insane and stupid

Yes, it is completely insane and stupid. Direct bank-to-bank transfers require significant administrative work to set up, and may still incur bank fees. For individual consumer accounts most people can use Zelle but it's not universally available.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by danny_codes »

cwillu wrote: post #299
arcanemachiner wrote: post #148

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If this finally pushes adoption of truly open Linux phones, then this will end up being a good thing, and the greatest favor that Google could do for the open source community. Tragically, Linux phones have languished and are in an absolute state these days, but a lot of the building blocks are in place if user adoption occurs en masse. (Shout out to the lunatics who have kept this dream alive during these dark years…

It won't though, because there's a ecosystem of banking/insurance/whatever apps that have bought into the android/iphone lockdown mindsete that people will simply be locked out of. Open alternatives can grow when there is a viable means of slow growth, and cutting off the oxygen to such things is the implicit intent.

I’ve found the mobile websites for a lot of these cases to be fine. Not a great UX but not a blocker

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by clhodapp »

xprnio wrote: post #353
Aerroon wrote: post #339

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2FA is a requirement in Europe. I can't log into my bank account without my phone being able to run the app.

But 2FA is moot if it’s the same device as your bank app, is it not?

It is in the specific case that you don't have biometric or PIN login set up on the device and you use a password manager that doesn't require authentication. In that case, the only factor is "something you have". Otherwise, it is still a multi-factor authentication because the device itself still represents "something you have", and your device unlock represents "something you know" or "something you are".

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by LtWorf »

codethief wrote: post #204
good8675309 wrote: post #175

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Personally I'm excited about the death of Android, now resources can be put toward mainstreaming and maturing the Linux Phone ecosystem Hopefully 2026 or 2027 will be the year of the Linux Phone

Strong disagree. Linux, its permission system and its (barely existent) application isolation are lightyears away from the security guarantees that Android brings.

Android brings malware apps and security fixes that come after months rather than next day compared to GNU/Linux.

The isolation is nice but not so important once you stop running malware constantly.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by telegtron »

ClikeX wrote: post #215
iririririr wrote: post #182

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you're a really vanilla user then. wake me up when there's an adblocker on an iphone.

There are several that plug into Safari, and Pihole just works. Does Android have ad blockers that do more? It's been a few years since I switched.

Blokada, Rethink, and Adguard just to name a few. Also, the DNS can be set to NextDNS, both via the system settings _and_ the aforementioned apps.
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