Personally I think the EU goes too far when I'm not even allowed to access books on the internet where the author died more than 100 years ago. So I like it xD
US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere
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#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
Access to information is dangerous when the information is controlled propaganda.
Would educating people instead and giving them more options for information, not be better than banning access to information?
That depends on what "education" entails. If it's one source only chances of it being propaganda is high.
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#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
At this point US has close to zero (if not negative) "soft" power.
Trade and tarriff relief are an option still. Despite how shitty the US has been and the distrust that will cause in the future access to US markets will be very attractive until the economy collapses. Soft power isn't just from countries liking you after all.
> Trade and tarriff relief are an option still
Are they though? Trump tried to use them to get ownership of Greenland a few weeks ago and just gave up. Then he tried to bully Canada again, and also gave up again. I think at this point nobody takes his offers of relief or threats seriously anymore, since any deal you make can be invalidated a couple weeks later.
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#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's smart to ban hate speech Everyone has their own idea what hate is. For me: it is anyone saying any word with “a” in it. Better stay quiet, or it is hate speech.
In general the justice system don't care much what your idea of the law is. If its not clear through the actuall law or the accompanying comments what constitutes hate speech, it will be cleared up by the court itself.
Do you really not understand the sort of slippery slope that presents?
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#385What content bans does Europe have? /Confused European
Porn (now requires age verification), online libraries, movies, some news websites, sports (because of obscure copyright laws) and countless other things.
This is another "in Europe" thing. There's no "in Europe". Germany, Italy, Poland, Portugal, etc. will all have different rules.
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
> > There have also been other high profile cases of people being arrested for posting things that were not like that burn the hotel down case > Such as? That was the only thing in my comment you took issue with? Great, that's easy to clear up because there's a few around. Here's one https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/yorkshire-man-a... Arrested for saying "F--- Palestine. F--- Hamas. F--- Islam. Want to pr…
The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech, online harassment and such. Thus lawmakers are acting to find laws which encapsulate these. In Germany, we have some simple ones surrounding using Nazi symbols and speech. These rules generally work well in our civil law context. Civil law usually is rather broad strokes and there might be cases where something injust happens which req…
I think if you come from a German context the concept of free speech is probably strange to you in general - because no one in living memory has ever had it. Not in Weimar, not in the Nazi period, not in East Germany and not in the Federal Republic.
Unless you understand concepts like "Natural Rights" the idea of a government not being able to curtail what you say will remain completely foreign to you.
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#387As an EU citizen this is damn nice. The US might have some things to still work on/improve, but when it comes to freedom of speech it is still light years ahead of everybody else, and good for them.
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#388Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere
#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, I guess the people there just magically all woke up one day hating the jews and voting in Hitler. Crazy how that happens. Why do political factions even spend money on campaigning? Those silly geese.
Wait, your operating theory on why the NSDAP became popular is because they... tricked everyone into hating jews? You are not only entirely misunderstanding why the NSDAP appealed to people, you're also completely misunderstanding what post WWI Germany was - a republic hastily brought about with little care so that Woodrow Wilson would offer Germany peace based on his 14 points (he didn't). It was doomed to fail from…
> If not the NSDAP it would have been some other extremists.
Oh okay, all good then...
> Or the idea that an aged, pacified 2026 Germany would immediately return to 1930s Nazism if they had free speech is even more ludicrous.
Can you think in even more absolute, even more reality-divorced terms? I was trying to mock this with my previous comment, but clearly that angle did not reach you.
"Oy vey, the insane ideas I craft, that people aren't actually saying, are insane." Yes, they do be. Congratulations.
Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere
#390Cool, so the US students will be able to read school banned books ? Or US state banned research papers ? Or US state banned historic books or photos ? Or soft banned late night shows - so Colbert will continue ? Kimmel ? Or domains of shadow book libraries banned by FBI/corporate requests ? And it will circumvent geoblocking enforced mostly by US companies ? Cool, such a heroic effort to remove censorship from theint…
When has the US ever banned students from reading certain books or research papers? What research papers can I not legally read?
The domains of shadow libraries are banned for copyright infringement, you can still read the books legally by purchasing a copy.