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EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by lotsofpulp »

throwaw12 wrote: post #254
ericmcer wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would not be a good idea because the goal of companies are not to get you to consume only what you need, they want you to consume more. You should check out "Ascension" (it is on Paramount unfortunately). It gives a pretty close up look at China and factory culture and how their entire country is mobilized to push maximum consumption. The corporation's don't view Americans high per-capita consumption as a problem…

> It would not be a good idea because the goal of companies are not to get you to consume only what you need, they want you to consume more. It's good exactly because of this. Every company is pushing us to consume more, and Wall Street is at the top of this, growth at all costs (including human lives, mental health, just anything) Only way to save Earth is to stop the Wall Street greed machine. We should be making s…

Where are the 8% annual returns going to come from to pay for all the defined benefit pensions and retiree healthcare plans?

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by cbg0 »

baal80spam wrote: post #126
namlem wrote: post #77

Typical Eurocrat meddling in people's affairs. The owners of those items should be free to do whatever they want. If the government is concerend about environmental damage, they should raise landfill fees or tax carbon, not limit what firms are allowed to do with their own things.

Well put. Of course noone says that this will increase clothes price for everyone.

Raising the landfill tax or carbon tax will also increase the price of clothes.

This might only increase the price of already expensive items, a t-shirt from H&M won't go up in price because of this.

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by pydry »

miki123211 wrote: post #373
motbus3 wrote: post #204

I'm reading the comments and I get confused. I kinda think this is a good idea and it is not like the government is purely making it a 3rd party problem only. This might make production more complicated for a while, but nowadays it is much easier to predict demand and produce quicker in smaller batches. In the 90s you might need change a whole factory setting for every single piece of fabric but nowadays it is that m…

Here's how this law is actually going to work. Instead of destroying the unsold clothes in Europe, manufacturers are going to sell them to "resale" companies in countries with little respect for the rule of law, mostly in Africa or Asia. Those companies will then destroy those clothes, reporting them as sold to consumers. So instead of destroying those clothes in Europe, we'll just add an unnecessary shipping step to…

>Those companies will then destroy those clothes, reporting them as sold to consumers.

Until one of them gets the bright idea to resell the clothes, which should take all of 30 seconds.

Your theory presumes the existence of a sketchy african company which will nonetheless remain scrupulously honest.

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by cronin101 »

throwaw12 wrote: post #254
ericmcer wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would not be a good idea because the goal of companies are not to get you to consume only what you need, they want you to consume more. You should check out "Ascension" (it is on Paramount unfortunately). It gives a pretty close up look at China and factory culture and how their entire country is mobilized to push maximum consumption. The corporation's don't view Americans high per-capita consumption as a problem…

> It would not be a good idea because the goal of companies are not to get you to consume only what you need, they want you to consume more. It's good exactly because of this. Every company is pushing us to consume more, and Wall Street is at the top of this, growth at all costs (including human lives, mental health, just anything) Only way to save Earth is to stop the Wall Street greed machine. We should be making s…

Not trying to pick apart your point but I rotate a small set of staple clothes and they’re in fine condition after two years (haven’t had much time for clothes shopping since toddler arrived), despite me abusing “quick wash” and “drycare 40c” constantly on Miele W1/T1 stack for “90 minute, good to fold” laundry.

I don’t buy the cheapest brands, but also don’t buy anything marketed as premium/luxe.

Mostly I gravitate towards stuff with a fairtrade cotton (and good thread count, but that’s from preference of how it feels to wear)

Plus, I may be deluded but I’m of the opinion that polo shirts and jeans/neutral trousers are a multi-decade winning combination.

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by gabrieledarrigo »

throw3e98 wrote: post #88
softwaredoug wrote: post #20

Fashion production is responsible for 8-10% of all carbon emissions https://www.ifc.org/en/insights-reports/2023/strengthening-s...

And in pre-industrial societies, peasants (almost entirely women, ranging from children to the elderly) commonly spent around 100 hours of labor to produce a single square yard of fabric to clothe their families (fabric was too expensive for peasants to buy, so most spun it at home). So yeah, considering how necessary fabric is to human life, that isn't a terribly surprising figure. Citation for the 100-ish hours: ht…

Man, I really can't see your point. And so...?

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Post by acdha »

buckle8017 wrote: post #131
jwr wrote: post #118

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> companies who will claim to recycle your products or donate them to good causes in other countries, but actually they’ll just end up on eBay or even in some cases being injected back in to retail channels Isn't that good though? Unless the defects make the product somehow dangerous, this means that it found its way to users who are OK with it, thus avoiding waste. And someone even made money in the process. (all as…

The problem is the eBay sellers always label defective stuff as simply new product. People buying it may or may not be ok with the defect. Think bad welds, usually they're fine for a while and then they're very much not.

It’s not hard to mark things as defective, liquidated, etc. so those eBay sellers can face fraud charges. We shouldn’t be sending stuff to landfills just to save a few pennies in permanent marker.

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Post by mftrhu »

apparent wrote: post #320
philwelch wrote: post #308

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It didn’t use to be this way but through evaporative cooling, most of the founder types stopped posting here.

Can you explain the connection to evaporative cooling?

It refers to evaporative cooling of group belief - https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ZQG9cwKbct2LtmL3p/evaporativ...

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Post by ceejayoz »

tuckwat wrote: post #369
thewebguyd wrote: post #350

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It’s honestly terrifying. I’m in the PNW and we haven’t had winter yet. Extremely low snowpack in the mountains and not even a single day below freezing where I live. I’ve been observing the change for the past 10 years or so here and this is the first year that’s it’s been so “in your face” obvious instead of just subtle changes and effects. If this is our new normal winter and/or gets rapidly worse we will have a m…

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There are many things in the world that happen slowly right up until they suddenly don’t. It’s very possible the climate is one of these.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #372
Der_Einzige wrote: post #288

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The appearal industry is among the most exploitive in the world. It's good to kill it before it springs up. Bangladesh is not anyone's example of a model country.

Note specifically that I said local industry. I don't mean some factory owned by a global chain.

I'm specifically talking about local, small business. Giant companies usually have better labor protections in the 3rd-4th world than small buisness does.
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