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Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

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Post by otterley »

wredcoll wrote: post #357
otterley wrote: post #333

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And therefore what, exactly? When you distill the two down to their essence, they’re similar in that they’re groups of people making written arguments against each other. (And, frequently, complaining about mistreatment.) Are you trying to argue that people shouldn’t be taken at their word? Or that we shouldn’t challenge people who make unqualified legal assertions? I’m not sure what your point is.

People here are making arguments about what should be. Either as interpretations or created laws. We all know that the actual interpretation is up to 5 republicans on the supreme court and whatever they feel on a given day will increase their side's power/ideology. No one is going to be making arguments about that because there's no point, you can't logic someone out of a position that they didn't use logic to get to…

> when someone on a forum says "this is wrong and something should be done about it"

If that had been what was said, we wouldn’t even be here.

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Post by wredcoll »

rsync wrote: post #371
wredcoll wrote: post #328

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> AFAIC we started the whole conflict. Is this talking point still being paid for? I haven't seen it in a while, but I guess I don't keep track that closely. What are the other russian provided talking points these days?

I would direct you to George Kennan[1] and his 1997 NYT article where he said, among other things: "... expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era. Such a decision may be expected to inflame the nationalistic, anti-Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion; to have an adverse effect on the development of Russian democracy; to restore the atmosphere o…

Did I miss the news of ukraine joining nato or something?

More to the point, this is some hardcore "she was asking for it" victim blaming.

You know who started the war? THE COUNTRY THAT LAUNCHED THE INVASION.

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

wredcoll wrote: post #372
StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #313

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I guess it's cue like on cue but it's late on a Sunday. You will have to excuse my brain. It wasn't a nitpick by the way. I deeply resent American using "the West" like if my own country and culture was somehow fungible in their experience. They are not. We don't have that much in common. That doesn't include a legal tradition, or a conception of what freedom of speech should be, neither does it include values or his…

It would probably help if you made a more specific point rather than just ranting in very vague terms. Grouping terms like "the west" can be broad enough to include over half of all living humans or so narrow that it applies to a small village. It is, admittedly, not a particularly useful term, but it's not like americans are reaponsible for it.

Where have you seen it used outside of Americans pretending their culture is somehow a standard and NATO apologists? The world doesn't even exist as such in my own language. It's a staple on Hacker News and nearly always for the bad reasons. I'm supposed to politely nod and shut up when people are casually erasing my culture?

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

m348e912 wrote: post #154
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #145

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>enable end-to-end encryption between the camera and your phone. So… exactly not the part I care about? Cool, it’s encrypted on transit to me… now what about at rest with them? Is it encrypted and they absolutely can not view or hand that footage to police/gov? No.

> Cool, it’s encrypted on transit to me… now what about at rest with them? Is it encrypted and they absolutely can not view or hand that footage to police/gov? No. Technically yes, e2e encryption means video hosted on their servers is only viewable by devices with decryption keys. So if the police/gov brought a subpoena to request the video, Ring could only offer them the encrypted video. They would have to take poss…

We already 100% know this is misleading though. Amazon has access to your ring footage.

They are acknowledging that the end to end TRANSIT is encrypted. They are not encrypting from themselves at rest.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

hypeatei wrote: post #323
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #140

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Not popular. We know exactly where the majority of crime is in the US, you are correct, down to the neighborhood. Now… let’s say you were to call the national guard in to safeguard those areas, how do you think that would go over by those cities governors and reaction media? I guess the answer depends on the year.

This comment really confirms the "everyone is twelve years old now" theory. "If there's crime, let's send in the army!" Of course you'd suggest that, you're twelve.

I don’t remember suggesting that. But, go on with your strawman, you are doing great.

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Post by manithree »

pear01 wrote: post #311
hermannj314 wrote: post #252

We have a branch of government called Congress, here are some things they used to do that made it a crime to read your mail or listen to your phone calls. 1. Postal Service Act of 1792 2. Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) of 1986 Anyway, Facebook can read your DMs, Google can read your email, Ring can take photos from your camera. We can very easily make those things a crime, but we don't seem to want to d…

Get money out of politics (reverse citizens united) and enact term/age limits for all public offices. These problems will be solved. Most Americans agree on most things. Don't let the politicians who benefit off of dividing us fool you. An agenda that focuses on reform outside of the usual finger pointing game of partisan politics and promises to enact these reforms without fear or favor will win. Any such agenda mus…

> Get money out of politics

If you also mean make it so Congress doesn't have a $4T slush fund to buy favors and influence every year, then I'm on board. If you think reducing the paltry sums spent on campaign contributions is going to take the money out of politics, you're bad at math.

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Post by joquarky »

WarmWash wrote: post #58
wordsunite wrote: post #32

I know it seems hard, but just stop using Google, Amazon, Meta products. Tell everyone you know to stop using their products. They have all been acquiring and amassing surveillance for years through their products and now they're just double dipping with AI training to sell you more of it. The more you can get people to realize and disconnect the better. I wish more people would use AI to build alternatives with a cl…

Its an intractable problem because people now have a general expectation that everything is "free". Look at Kagi's success and compare it to Google. It doesn't even register. People need to start paying for things, because if you're not paying for it, you're not in control of it.

It's easy to say we should all start paying for things.

Most people don't have much of a disposable income.

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Post by bahmboo »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #261
mmaunder wrote: post #210

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Examining Glenn's work through an ideological lens leads to this kind of rhetoric. It's why he's so good at what he does. He's crossed ideological boundaries constantly in pursuit of the truth of a matter, and in defense of the public.

To anyone on Twitter in like 2016-2019, this is a rather funny sentiment to have about him. I can remember my respect for him dissolve day by day. I didn't even remember until now if he was pro- or anti- Trump, probably neither still. But I simply remember that he slowly turned into the worst caricature of a smug Twitter media guy. Just turned into "hot take" haver and seemed to lose his own plot. If you know you kno…

This was my experience too. So many 'voices' just turned into grifters and self promoters. Garland, Mensch, etc.

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Post by joquarky »

shimman wrote: post #338
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #144

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> basic stuff like e-mail and payment processing should be provided by the state You're looking at America in 2026 and concluding we want to give the state more control over private lives?

Yes, you can give control to the House of Representatives. The House should have way more control over government agencies, it's the people's house. The people deserve to have control.

> it's the people's house

You dropped an adjective: wealthy

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Post by wredcoll »

otterley wrote: post #381
wredcoll wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People here are making arguments about what should be. Either as interpretations or created laws. We all know that the actual interpretation is up to 5 republicans on the supreme court and whatever they feel on a given day will increase their side's power/ideology. No one is going to be making arguments about that because there's no point, you can't logic someone out of a position that they didn't use logic to get to…

> when someone on a forum says "this is wrong and something should be done about it" If that had been what was said, we wouldn’t even be here.

Perhaps we can work on what is called "media literacy" where we understand text based on its context and authorship and other such clues.
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