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Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by bsimpson »

russellbeattie wrote: post #346
olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

> "...while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better" These projects have been around for literally decades and really haven't changed much during that time. I think what you're noticing is that Linux desktops are as good as they always have been, but since Apple and Microsoft keep messing with theirs for marketing reasons, in comparison it seems that Linux GUIs are improving.

This feels untrue. Granted I haven't tracked it closely, but the Adwaita design system and the GNOME HIG feel like relatively recent developments.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by AlexandrB »

ganksalot wrote: post #171
metaltyphoon wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like powertoys but it’s taking 1.17Gig of space. That should be illegal

There are like two dozen apps inside powertoys...

Winamp was like 5MB. Starcraft 1 was something like 900MB. None of the two dozen apps are doing anything that should take so much space. It's probably all bloat from various dependencies. People's expectations of software quality have gotten very low.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by nickjj »

zamalek wrote: post #321
pjmlp wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiling window managers used to be a thing in the old days, they predate the invention of overlapping windows, there is a reason it is only a minority that reaches out to them nowadays.

Tilings are no better or no worse than floating. There are many users who would benefit from them (people who typically keep all their windows maximized), but have had literally zero exposure two them due to MacOS and Windows. Complaints about lack of window snapping in MacOS vs Windows, a loose copy of tiling, are consistent across the internet. If MacOS and Windows had native tiling support, you'd see a fight fierc…

> Not to mention the direction that the likes of Paper and Niri are going, these are things that very few users get to experience and therefore couldn't possibly have an informed decision on what they prefer.

niri is great because it gives you the best of all worlds.

Scrolling by default but you can easily float and tile things as needed. It feels so intuitive for how I use computers.

I've created a few posts and videos on using niri while going over my workflows in https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/how-is-niri-this-good-live-de... and https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/day-to-day-window-management-....

Having used Windows for 25 years, there's no chance I'll ever go back. This environment is already substantially better. That's after tricking Windows out with virtual desktops, global hotkeys, window positioning tools, launchers, multiple clipboards, heavily WSL 2 driven, etc..

I tried to switch a few times over the last decade but was always blocked by hardware issues on this machine, those blockers are gone now.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by jermaustin1 »

AmazingTurtle wrote: post #379
sjogress wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally replaced Windows 10 with Linux Mint on my very computer illiterate mother in law's laptop a few months back. Haven't heard any complaints so far. Linux is ready for prime time for anyone not bound to Windows/MacOS software. Personally, I'm still on MacOS for work, but all my personal devices run some form of Linux. It's been liberating to say the least.

I set up windows 11 on a laptop for my dad so he can read emails and browse the web. Came back 3 months later when he told me he couldn't see the PDF files anymore. Turns out he installed THREE different PDF viewers that he randomly found on google, they installed tons of bloatware/spyware, replaced browser toolbars and searches etc. to a point where I decided to just restore from a recovery point. Told him not to do…

> replaced browser toolbars

This is still a thing? Browsers still have toolbars???

My go to for family is giving them no install rights, and adding a remote desktop app for me to connect to them when they need something to install.

I don't get called very often anymore, and when I do, it's for their work computer or something, to which I say, talk to your IT department, I can't fix that.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by AlexandrB »

cubefox wrote: post #207

Microsoft Windows has a similar issue. I wonder why nobody is talking about that on HN.

The Windows UI has been a trashfire since Windows 8. I think the expectation that it sucks has been baked in at this point, though Windows 11 represents an increase in the slope of increasing suck.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by qaq »

olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

actually hunting for i9 macbook in good shape to switch to linux after decades on mac

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by lenerdenator »

pmdr wrote: post #364
1970-01-01 wrote: post #340

This is exactly the type of issue Steve Jobs would notice and then you're fired. The UI is the main event. If you can't get it right you don't work on it ever again.

Well Cook's Apple is mostly about money coming in, so as long as that's happening he's not obsessing over quality.

All they have to do is make a better UX than Google and Microsoft. As it turns out, that particular bar is at the bottom of the Challenger Deep, so they treat it as such. Money spent on making sure your UX passes basic muster is money not given to a series of retirement and pension funds that make up the bulk of shareholders for companies like Apple.

What do you want more: decent UX, or the Smiths to be able to sell their house and swing on - and off - the course at some golf-based retirement village in Florida?

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Post by bsimpson »

jakub_g wrote: post #66

Since we talk resizing windows, for months I was _sometimes_ unable to resize windows at all, and couldn't figure out why. I thought it was a random bug of macOS. Finally I realized the issue: if a window spans across two displays, it won't resize. Insane! (I have an external monitor up, laptop down, and it's easy to move a window such that it stretches a few pixels from monitor to the laptop. No resize for you!)

I didn't think a window could span two screens - I thought it only appeared on the one that had most of the window.

Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by Tannic »

hs86 wrote: post #325
olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

In the past few years, I’ve started to develop a form of “upgrade dread” when it comes to OS upgrades. What are they going to enshittify now? What are they going to drop support for now? This somehow excluded Linux and its DEs, and I eagerly read any news, changelogs, and announcements in this space. They’re still not perfect in every aspect, but at least I see things improving instead of public turf wars between dep…

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