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My AI Adoption Journey

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Post by eikenberry »

jjice wrote: post #317
i_love_retros wrote: post #299

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Billionaires also tend to have a vested interest in the tech being hyped and adopted, after all one doesn't become a billionaire without investments.

Define investment in this case. He's the cofounder of HashiCorp. I guess you could refer to his equity as an investment here, but I don't really think it tracks the same in this context. He may have a vested interest, but he did cofound HashiCorp as an engineer that actually developed the products, so I find his insight at least somewhat valuable.

He no longer has equity. Hashicorp was purchased by IBM in a cash deal.

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Post by D-Machine »

tonfa wrote: post #368
D-Machine wrote: post #333

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Pro-tip: Do NOT use LLMs to generate recipes, use them to search the internet for a site with a trustworthy recipe, for information on cooking techniques, science, or chemistry, or if you need ideas about pairings and/or cooking theory / conventions. Do not trust anything an LLM says if it doesn't give a source, it seems people on the internet can't cook for shit and just make stuff up about food science and cooking…

> I don't even see how an LLM (or frankly any recipe) that is a summary / condensation of various recipes can ever be good It's funny, I actually know quite a few (totally non tech) people who uses (and like using) LLMs for recipes/recipes ideas. They probably have enough experience to push back when there's a bad idea, or figure out missing steps/follow up. Thinking about it, it sounds a bit like LLM usage for codin…

If you have lots of experience from years of serious cooking, like I do, almost everything the LLM suggests or outputs re: cooking is false, bad or at best incredibly sub-par, and you will spend far more time correcting it and/or pushing it toward what you already know for it to be actually helpful / productive in getting you anything actually true. I also think it just messes up incredibly basic stuff all the time. I re-iterate it is only good for the things I said.

Whether or not you think you can get "good" recipes out of it will also depend on your experience with cuisine and cooking, and your own pickiness. I am sure amateurs or people who cook only occasionally can get use out of it, but it is not useful for me.

Cooking is a very different world from coding: recipes aren't composable like code (within-recipe ratios need to be maintained, i.e. recipes written in bakers ratios/proportions, steps are almost always sequentially dependent, and ingredients need to complement each other) and most sources besides the few good empirical ones actually verify anything they make, which is a problem, because the training data for cooking is far more poisoned.

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

jedberg wrote: post #363
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #256

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Generally don’t pay attention to names unless it’s someone like Torvalds, Stroustrop, or Guido. Maybe this guy needs another decade of notoriety or something.

The author is the founder of Hasicorp. He created Vault and Terraform, among others.

Curious, do you think his name should be as well known as Torvalds, Stroustrup, and Guido, who combined have ~120 years of serious contribution to the way that we write software, and continue to influence?

Because that’s the implication that I’m getting from downvotes + this reply.

Sure, Terraform is huge no doubt, but it’s no Linux, C++, or Python, yet. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I assume since they’re no longer involved with Hashicorp they’re no longer contributing to Terraform?

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Post by tonfa »

D-Machine wrote: post #382
tonfa wrote: post #368

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> I don't even see how an LLM (or frankly any recipe) that is a summary / condensation of various recipes can ever be good It's funny, I actually know quite a few (totally non tech) people who uses (and like using) LLMs for recipes/recipes ideas. They probably have enough experience to push back when there's a bad idea, or figure out missing steps/follow up. Thinking about it, it sounds a bit like LLM usage for codin…

If you have lots of experience from years of serious cooking, like I do, almost everything the LLM suggests or outputs re: cooking is false, bad or at best incredibly sub-par, and you will spend far more time correcting it and/or pushing it toward what you already know for it to be actually helpful / productive in getting you anything actually true. I also think it just messes up incredibly basic stuff all the time.…

I guess different people have different experiences when using those tools :)

(I was talking about people who cook daily for their households and enjoy doing it, I guess they found a way to make LLMs useful for them)

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Post by a456463 »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #53

This is such a lovely balanced thoughtful refreshingly hype-free post to read. 2025 really was the year when things shifted and many first-rate developers (often previously AI skeptics, as Mitchell was) found the tools had actually got good enough that they could incorporate AI agents into their workflows. It's a shame that AI coding tools have become such a polarizing issue among developers. I understand the reasons…

It is perfectly valid that this issue is polarizing. on the one hand we have blind cargo culters and on the other hand we have "luddites". Being in one or the other "tribe" is cause for getting insulted or called out. Because the cargo culters want everyone to do what they are doing, just like the RTO crowd. The skeptics want to take a more reasonable pace. One side is we are done this is the future and the other side doesn't see the same results happening to them but the cargo culters think in absolutes and 100% only. It is all or nothing. All these other posts waxing and waning and insulting the skeptics are frankly insulting

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Post by tehnub »

allworms wrote: post #95
keyle wrote: post #79

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Architects went from drawing everything on paper, to using CAD products over a generation. That's a lot of years! They're still called architects. Our tooling just had a refresh in less than 3 years and it leaves heads spinning. People are confused, fighting for or against it. Torn even between 2025 to 2026. I know I was. People need a way to describe it from 'agentic coding' to 'vibe coding' to 'modern AI assisted s…

> We don't call architects 'vibe architects' even though they copy-paste 4/5th of your next house and use a library of things in their work! > We don't call builders 'vibe builders' for using earth-moving machines instead of a shovel... > When was the last time you reviewed the machine code produced by a compiler? Sure, because those are categorically different. You are describing shortcuts of two classes: boilerplat…

Totally on point, except I'm pretty sure Jobs was not like that. From what I've read he'd be more of a hands on "agentic engineer". Baby-sitting his engineers and designers and steering them.

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Post by D-Machine »

tonfa wrote: post #384
D-Machine wrote: post #382

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If you have lots of experience from years of serious cooking, like I do, almost everything the LLM suggests or outputs re: cooking is false, bad or at best incredibly sub-par, and you will spend far more time correcting it and/or pushing it toward what you already know for it to be actually helpful / productive in getting you anything actually true. I also think it just messes up incredibly basic stuff all the time.…

I guess different people have different experiences when using those tools :) (I was talking about people who cook daily for their households and enjoy doing it, I guess they found a way to make LLMs useful for them)

I also cook daily at home, for fun (though I have catered a couple times for some large 50+ people family events too). Just, in my case, cooking is my passion, and has been more than just a minor hobby for me. I.e. there have been many years of my life where I spent 3-5 hours of every day cooking, and this has been the case for about 15 years now. If "professional home cook" was a thing, I'd be that, but, alas.

So my standards are admittedly probably a bit deranged relative to most...

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Post by paulryanrogers »

WA wrote: post #289
direwolf20 wrote: post #267

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How do I hack the human population to give me money, and simultaneously, hack law enforcement to not arrest me?

> How do I hack the human population to give me money Make something popular or become famous. > hack law enforcement to not arrest me Don't become famous with illegal stuff. The hack is that we live in a society that makes people think they need a lot of money and at the same time allows individuals to accumulate obscene amounts of wealth and influence and many people being ok with that.

> Don't become famous with illegal stuff.

Is this still a constraint? It would seem that money beyond a certain point allows one to wash ones reputation.

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Post by tehnub »

keyle wrote: post #79
libraryofbabel wrote: post #53

This is such a lovely balanced thoughtful refreshingly hype-free post to read. 2025 really was the year when things shifted and many first-rate developers (often previously AI skeptics, as Mitchell was) found the tools had actually got good enough that they could incorporate AI agents into their workflows. It's a shame that AI coding tools have become such a polarizing issue among developers. I understand the reasons…

Architects went from drawing everything on paper, to using CAD products over a generation. That's a lot of years! They're still called architects. Our tooling just had a refresh in less than 3 years and it leaves heads spinning. People are confused, fighting for or against it. Torn even between 2025 to 2026. I know I was. People need a way to describe it from 'agentic coding' to 'vibe coding' to 'modern AI assisted s…

How can people still make such mistaken analogies when ChatGPT was released over three years ago?

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Post by antonvs »

D-Machine wrote: post #322
antonvs wrote: post #308

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> ... some established site's recipe. At least with the LLM, you don't have to wade through paragraph after paragraph of "I remember playing in the back yard as a child, I would get hungry..." In fact LLMs write better and more interesting prose than the average recipe site.

It's not hard to scroll to the bottom of a page, IMO, but regardless, sites like you are mentioning have trash recipes in most cases. I only go with resources where the text is actual documentation of their testing and/or the steps they've made, or other important details (e.g. SeriousEats, Whats Cooking America / America's Test Kitchen, AmazingRibs, Maangchi for Korean, vegrecipesofindia, Modernist series, etc) or l…

> This makes LLMs useless for recipes in about 99% of cases.

But you spent a whole lot of time essentially describing how 99% of recipe sites are also useless. What's the difference?

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